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Ricky Lee

September 16, 2009 01:44AM
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Note: I'm beginning the write-up on my Swank with a reply to a thread to PMWF Brother Daniel Z (aka Wycombe) Swank about his own Swank. This is where I first became aware of the brand, and it's ironic that just a couple of months later, out of the blue and by accident, I ended up with one, too. -rlm

No live auction links.. but I will admit I turned these up with a quick eFlay search. I think you can figure out the appropriate search keywords... Laughing out loud!

First there's this Swank..

eBay photo

Talk about rough! It runs, but is missing the hands and bezel. The madman has a Buy-It-Now price of $75. LOCO! He's also got a 'best offer' option.. but usually these kind of dreamers won't budge much. Frowning, Sad

The there's this one..


eBay photo


eBay photo

Quite rough, too.. but at least it's all there. ;-) This guys is a real loon, though, with a $220 Buy-It-Now price! EEK!

This one, now.. well, I'm kinda tempted me ownself! ROTFLMAO!


eBay photo

There's one bid of $20 at the moment, with ~ 4 days left in the auction. Might be worth watching this one! Thumbs Up

Good luck!

-Ricky


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It's a happy day, a new watch arrived COTD Sixties diver in the house! WIS Honeymoon But I need some watchmaking advice! Help please! Image Attachments
Wycombe -- September 15, 2009 05:57PM (Views: 125)

Is there any way to fasten a crown with stripped threads to it's stem? Glue, cement, etc.?

Photo courtesy of Wycombe
["Seller's" pic]

This watch was given away to me as a non-working watch, but the movement (UTC 29) seems to run strong (I've only had it running for four hours so far, though). The problem is that the female threads inside the crown seems stripped. The male threads on the stem are OK.

When I got the watch in the mail today it was love at first sight! I know that it's a cheapie "diver" from the sixties, but it's just so charming and I would love to get it in working condition. Any advice would be appreciated! TIA!

Cheers! :-)
Daniel Z.

Loctite 222 (red as Ricky said) is the usual way to go. And Daniel, if you need help, our very own tool forum >
Reto -- September 16, 2009 08:13AM (Views: 25)
moderated by Keaton is a great source for all watchmaking problems. Great and interesting find btw. Congratulations.
Last but not least, look at the threads of the crown stem and the stem itself closely. If the threads are quite worn, a replacement of stem and crown is the way to go.
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Best regards
Reto
Thanks Reto! I am smiling The threads on the stem are ok...
Wycombe -- September 16, 2009 01:54PM (Views: 20)
...I used a Seiko crown to wind the movement and it sits tightly to the stem. The crown threads are nowhere to be found anymore... CRYING!
It's simple then, use the Seiko crown, a bit of Loctite 222 and let it dry over night (n/t)
Reto -- September 17, 2009 06:02AM (Views: 12)
Thanks, but the Seiko crown odes not fit the watch at all... Only the thread size is the same. (n/t)
Wycombe -- September 17, 2009 08:21PM (Views: 11)
I ain't surprised..
Ricky Lee -- September 18, 2009 01:36AM (Views: 17)
..in my experience, the case tube and crown go together as a matched set.

Once in a while you may get lucky.. but usually not. Frowning, Sad

-Ricky


I am crying (n/t)
Wycombe -- September 18, 2009 11:02PM (Views: 13)
Nice one Daniel. Congratulations Thumbs up! (n/t)
PaulGeo -- September 16, 2009 02:26AM (Views: 9)
wow.. looks swank! now i want one (n/t)
anjizkit -- September 15, 2009 10:53PM (Views: 19)
Very cool, Daniel. Cool! Congratulations and good luck with the repair work. Thumbs up! (n/t)
Mark C. --September 15, 2009 10:45PM (Views: 17)
Cool one D! Thumbs up! (n/t)
SoCalWis -- September 15, 2009 08:42PM (Views: 15)
Very Cool score, Daniel. I like the numbers inside the markers, never seen that. (n/t)
DJM -- September 15, 2009 08:21PM (Views: 16)
'tis a neat touch! Thumbs up! Here's another example.... Image Attachments
Ricky Lee -- September 15, 2009 09:45PM (Views: 32)
HERE and HERE
Nice. Looks awfully similar to Daniel's. Is there a connection between the brands? (n/t)
DJM -- September 15, 2009 10:14PM (Views: 12)
Good eyes, Dan! My guess is that they were pretty generic watches back then.
Wycombe -- September 15, 2009 10:38PM (Views: 16)
Only difference would be the name on the dial, which could vary between one watchmaker's shop to another.
I concur - I'd bet you could find this very same watch with dozens of different brand names on the dial. I am smiling (n/t)
Ricky Lee -- September 15, 2009 11:16PM (Views: 18)
OK then, need to find one for me! (n/t)
DJM -- September 15, 2009 11:57PM (Views: 14)
Done! Image Attachments
Ricky Lee -- September 16, 2009 01:44AM (Views: 26)
{see heading -rlm}
Woohoo, my watch is worth a fortune! Laughing out loud! Image Attachments
Wycombe -- September 16, 2009 02:11PM (Views: 20)
You can buy mine for One Hundred Billion Dollars!
Stock photo

OBRO...

LOCO!

Rolling on the floor laughing my ass off Rolling on the floor laughing my ass off Zip it! (n/t)
DJM -- September 16, 2009 04:45PM (Views: 12)
What a deal! CotD! Rolling on the floor laughing my ass off Rolling on the floor laughing my ass off Rolling on the floor laughing my ass off (n/t)
Ricky Lee -- September 16, 2009 04:33PM (Views: 13)
I should have known, Ricky Tempting DevilThank you! (n/t)
DJM -- September 16, 2009 12:08PM (Views: 10)
Probably not the answer you want to hear.. Image Attachments Post contains linked URL
Ricky Lee -- September 15, 2009 06:13PM (Views: 35)
..but your best bet, by far, is to track down a replacement crown.

I sincerely doubt that any glue or cement will hold over the long run. Frowning, Sad If there are any threads left at all, you might try Loc-Tite red...

BTW, I'm a big fan of the UT29...

Thumbs Up ;-)

-Ricky


Very cool, Ricky! Maybe we could start a club? Laughing out loud! Post contains linked URL
Wycombe -- September 15, 2009 10:29PM (Views: 16)
Thanks for the reply, and no, there's hardly any thread left... Frowning, Sad I do have a possible crown donor right here at home, but I just can't get the damned thing open. I am PISSED!

I guess the watch you showed in your reply above is one of the watches in this reply, right? Their identical, part from the "brand" name and the text below. Nice one! Thumbs Up According to ranfft.de the movement are a near equivalent to Seiko 6602D, whatever that means. Do you have any additional information about the UTC movement? Swiss/Japanese?

Cheers! :-)

Hmmm. Call it The UT 29 Boys, perhaps? Rolling on the floor laughing my ass off Post contains linked URL
Ricky Lee -- September 15, 2009 11:11PM (Views: 34)
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Wycombe
..no, there's hardly any thread left..
Bummer... Frowning, Sad
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Wycombe
I guess the watch you showed in your reply above is one of the watches in this reply, right? Their identical, part from the "brand" name and the text below.
Right, I've got two watches with the UT(C) 29 movement. The Unichron has a slightly higher level of movement finishing, and the D'Orsay, which is pretty much identical to your Swank.
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Wycombe
According to ranfft.de the movement are a near equivalent to Seiko 6602D, whatever that means. Do you have any additional information about the UTC movement? Swiss/Japanese?
According to my sources (and one is our own bjohnson Thumbs Up), UT was (is) Japanese, and is basically an export division of Seiko.
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bjohnson
Back in the day, "Made in Japan" didn't exactly sound good to North American buyers.

Seiko sold ebauches to other companies under the named Universal Time Co (just to confuse everyone, there is a DIFFERENT Universal which I think was Durowe after the Swiss Ebauche group bought it. Durowe was a German movement maker that the Swiss bought to get easy access to the German market.)

Anyway ... UT 29 = Sportsman = Seiko 66
Both my UT 29's run great. Seems to be a stalwart movement! Thumbs Up Of course, you wouldn't expect any less from a SEIKO! product.. Laughing out loud!

Best of luck with yours! 
CHEERS!

-Ricky


Oh man, you're a well of information! Thumbs up! CHEERS!
Wycombe -- September 15, 2009 11:29PM (Views: 21)
Thanks a lot, Ricky! :-)



It's a happy day, a new watch arrived 'tis a German-made 17-Jewel Handwind kinda day at Ricky Lee's Home For Wayward Wristwatches It's a happy day, a new watch arrived

December 10, 2009 12:20PM


The last couple of batches o' likelies which I've actually purchased contained very few mechanicals.. which is fine - watches are me bread and butter, and I knew it going in. Two of the 3 (a 25-jewel Timex auto and a 17-jewel Enicar auto) they did contain were non-runners. But the third.. Ah! The third!

Photo by Ricky Lee

Click HERE for larger photo or HERE for supersized photo

The fact that the watch case is a perfect circle in planform was a bit off-putting at first. But after I've worn it a bit I've come to adore it!

Photo by Ricky Lee

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'tis bigger'n it looks, at 39.75mm wi'oot crown, and wears smaller than you'd expect, due to the lugless design. Wears Grrrrrrrrrr8! on the Ricky Standard 18mm NATO! Thumbs up!

Photo by Ricky Lee

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Base metal bezel, apparently, but the screwdown caseback is very smooth and well-machined.

But.. Germany? Hmmmmmm. Let's check it out..


Photo by Ricky Lee

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Yup! Looks like Germany!

Based on Bro. Wycombe's post about his Swank, I half expected a UT(C)29 movement, "Germany" branding or no. But obviously that's not the case! Alas, despite poking around Ranfft for nearly an hour, I can't ID it. I see no makers mark anywhere - I suspect 'tis on the dial side. 'R72' is about the only clue I see, other than the German-made aspect. Bro. bjohnson? Bro. Clitheroe? One o' you Watch Wizards care to give it a go?


Photo by Ricky Lee

Click HERE for larger photo or HERE for supersized photo

ANYway, I love's the way the thing wears and.. well, honestly I the blue dial on this thing sooooo much (the fotoz don't do it justice! I am crying), I'd probably have paid what I've got in the entire lot for it alone OK! OK!.. maybe not quite.. but very nearly so! Laughing Which, in a way, makes the rest o' 'em free! Rolling on the floor laughing my a.. off



-Ricky


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It's a Happy Day! The new watch arrived!  'tis a German-made 17-Jewel Handwind kinda day at Ricky Lee's Home For Wayward Wristwatches It's a Happy Day! The new watch arrived! Image Attachments
Ricky Lee -- December 10, 2009 12:20PM (Views: 174)
Swank-ee, Rick-ee L-ee! Now you need a gold chain and a smoking jacket! Rolling on the floor laughing my ass off (n/t)
MCV -- December 10, 2009 04:57PM (Views: 20)
Ahh.. what makes you think I don't already have them? Rolling on the floor laughing my ass off (n/t)
Ricky Lee -- December 10, 2009 05:57PM (Views: 20)
The white on the dial almost looks airbrushed. (n/t)
Dave Murphy -- December 10, 2009 04:23PM (Views: 17)
I have a challenge for you, Bro. Dave. As a black-belt kaizen kenning gaijan..
Ricky Lee -- December 11, 2009 12:18AM (Views: 20)
..who Really Really Understands Modern Manufacturing Like A Modern Day Major General, I just knocked off a Work Instruction (something I do in my professional life like Johnny B. Goode a' ringin' a bell Wink, wink... ), and I believe I could reproduce this dial in eight steps or less.

Care to give it a go?

I warn you my solution involves Wire EDM machines and talented out-of-work signpainters! Rolling on the floor laughing my a.. off

-Ricky


unfortunately, I don't have very much knowledge on the >>
Dave Murphy -- December 11, 2009 12:30AM (Views: 15)
>> equipment that you have, or the best practices thereof.

But I believe it would go something like:

Cut OD
Cut (or drill) ID
Cut to length dial feet
Solder feet using fixture
Clean
Paint white
Airbrush blue
Screen print
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Dave
Somewhere on the South Shore of Lake Ontario

Good job! I am smiling  Image Attachments
Ricky Lee -- December 11, 2009 01:32AM (Views: 20)
I had it like this:

Whip up a stamping die and..
Fine-blank dial including center hole and date window, if applicable.
Solder feet using fixture
Clean & prep
Paint white.
Affix EDM-cut male stencils spelling out "Swank" and "17 Jewels" and "Germany"
Airbrush blue color
Inspect & touch up as required

Affixing the stencils would be the trick.. Need a release agent that seals precisely, and doesn't mar tha paint. Beeswax? Kryptonite? Might take a minute to figue that one out... Rolling on the floor laughing my a.. off

-Ricky

I believe it IS airbrushed, but looks more like..
Ricky Lee -- December 10, 2009 06:00PM (Views: 16)
..blue on white when inspected closely. WIS Honeymoon

I know 'tis a cliche Wink, but my photos really don't Frowning do this dial justice. Smile

-Ricky


Doin' the Swanky Panky & you turned yourself around Thumbs up! Sweeeet! Congrats!
Riddim Driven -- December 10, 2009 03:29PM (Views: 18)
Don't ask me what this means Crazy! Loco!

RD
Hope this isn't making the caveman too swanky. We like earthy! Rolling on the floor laughing my ass off Thumbs up! (n/t)
JohnnyT -- December 10, 2009 02:58PM (Views: 17)
That's a nice one Ricky,cool! Thumbs up! I am smiling
Bock -- December 10, 2009 02:28PM (Views: 23)
Man I cannot keep up with all your purchases anymore,the group of wayward horology must be getting enormous,no? :D I hope you have enough chairs for christmas dinner. :D Or do they get a place in the christmas tree? :D ;)

I really enjoy seeing your acquisitions,keep it going bud Thumbs Up

Re: ....the group of wayward horology must be getting enormous, no? Laughing out loud!
Ricky Lee -- December 10, 2009 03:29PM (Views: 17)
Ahhh.. yes, I admit we are running low on beds at RLHfWW. Eek! But hey! Always room for one more! Rolling on the floor laughing my a.. off
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Bock
I really enjoy seeing your acquisitions,keep it going bud Thumbs Up
Thank you! mate!

Don't worry, I've still got those 28 watches lined up waiting for batteries. Eek! I placed a re-stock order for batteries on Sunday night, and I'm hoping they'll arrive today. Looks like it's gonna be a busy weekend at Ye Olde Caveman Watchmakers Shoppe. Rolling on the floor laughing my a.. off

-Ricky


28? EEK! Scary! Ole amigo! Thumbs up! Laughing out loud!
Bock -- December 10, 2009 05:32PM (Views: 13)
That means lots of reveilments to go I reckon Thumbs Up :D Hope you get the batteries soon; I am waiting for a card with 10 LR44's for about 2 weeks already Frown, Sad Needing them for me mini flaslight,alarm clock and a toy for my friends 1 year old son. The little man looks nastier and nastier at me every time I come through the door without new accumulators :D :D ;)

That is a really cool looking watch! Thumbs up! way up! And thanks for putting the photos up. (n/t)
Dre -- December 10, 2009 02:15PM (Views: 20)
My pleasure! And thank you O' Illustrious WotM! I am Blushing Rolling on the floor laughing my ass off (n/t)
Ricky Lee -- December 10, 2009 03:24PM (Views: 18)
Lorsa P72 Image Attachments Post contains linked URL
bjohnson -- December 10, 2009 01:42PM (Views: 35)
Strange though, Lorsa was French, not German

[www.ranfft.de]
http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-db.cgi?10&ranfft&a&2uswk
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Don't miss out on all the sweets in the local candy stores: PMWF Sales & Trade Forum and The Poor Man's Watch Corner

You've heard of Ranfft's archive of watch movements: Ranfft's Pink Pages
He also hosts a free watch auction site: Ranfft's Watch and Watch Parts Auctions
Take THAT Ebay!

Applause! Applause! Applause! Thank you! Bro. Johnson! I knew ye'd come through! Thumbs up!
Ricky Lee -- December 10, 2009 03:21PM (Views: 13)
Obviously this watch should say "Assembled in Germany using French Movement". Smile

And, mind you, I've no problem at all with that pedigree! Thumbs up!

-Ricky


no job too complicated for BJ! Applause! Applause! (n/t)
JohnnyT -- December 10, 2009 03:01PM (Views: 38)
Somehow I knew that you would come up with that. Laughing out loud! Applause! Applause! (n/t)
Dave Murphy -- December 10, 2009 01:46PM (Views: 13)
Thumbs up! Nice one, Ricky. Congrats. (n/t)
Mark C. -- December 10, 2009 01:17PM (Views: 16)
Thanks Mark! Cool! (n/t)
Ricky Lee -- December 10, 2009 03:23PM (Views: 15)
Pretty face and looks like a decent movement, congrats. (n/t)
Paul J Costa -- December 10, 2009 12:34PM (Views: 16)
I'm a sucker for a Blue Dial. Rolling on the floor laughing my ass off Thank you! (n/t)
Ricky Lee -- December 10, 2009 03:22PM (Views: 15)

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