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OK, so I'll 'fess up. I've got yet another incoming. Crazy! Loco!


Ricky Lee
May 26, 2012 08:20AM
Registered: April 2005
Posts: 13,591 (2012-06)

Now you that really pay attention might already have guessed it, since I hinted at it recently. Yup, a..

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.. CA301150SS Automatic Dual-Time. WooHOO!

What's that you say? "OK, but which color, Ricky?!" Ah! Glad ye asked!

I had the very devil of a time making up me mind, ye ken. Oops! I was initially drawn to the orange, but then I'm pretty well-fixed for Orange Watches already. I'm mighty light on Green Watches, and almost had meself talked into pulling the trigger. But, in the end, I just ain't that big a fan of Green Watches. White? Same as with orange, I've a surfeit of white dials, and white-dialed divers always look a bit 'off' to me. So what's that leave? I'm insanely fond of Blue Watches in general, and the color strikes me as a natural for a Diver.

Sure, you got it...

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..I went with the blue, model CA301150SSBL.

I freely admit that a major part of the attraction for me is the ancillary watch on the bracelet. I've long admired this design..

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..as executed on the Breitling B-1, though not quite enough to pony up the Very Rich Man's Watch! Eek! price. Wink This watch, at < $100 shipped, seems the perfect Poor Man's Alternative.

The watch has decent specs, too!
  • All Stainless Steel Case & Solid-link Bracelet

  • 43mm w/o crown, 14mm thick, 22mm lugs

  • Screwdown back and crown

  • 200M WR Rating

  • Miyota 8215 automatic movement

  • Tempered mineral crystal

  • Secondary analog quartz display

I do have some reservations. For one, the subsidiary display is not as tightly integrated with the overall styling as in the Breitling. Nowhere near! This is more like a Submariner with the secondary display tacked on. Not that it's bad looking. Still...

Then, too, I'm pretty sure the 200M WR applies to the main watch only, not the dual-time display. It appears to have a snap-in caseback & push-pull crown, and it's difficult to see how it could achieve a sure 'nough 200M WR.

Also, I'm a bit concerned about the ergonomics of the "bracelet watch". I got a hoot out of this Amazon Watch or Accessory Review of the orange model...


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Mad Cow

I've said it before, the Miyota movement is reliable. I haven't had one break on me yet and this is just one of my many watches that uses it.

I purchased this watch because I didn't have any Orange in my diver's collection. Here it was, with a gimmick watch on the band to boot.

I have small wrists, so after taking out every link, the thing was still way too big. Plus the 2nd watch made the bracelet flare out and not wrap properly around my wrist. So if it would have sized properly, it still would not have fit right.

There's no way I wanted to send the watch back, I liked the color combo too much. So I had a hair-brained idea. I figured purchasing a decent diver's band would be expensive negating the savings of purchasing this watch in the first place, and it would have tossed the secondary watch aside to never be seen again making it a total waste.

So I dug out my Dremmel high-speed rotary tool (I can hear you gasp) and proceeded to take the band apart. The first thing I did was to take the secondary watch out. I had an extra leather band sitting around and used the band pin to easily fit the bottom half of the band to the bottom of the secondary watch case, and modified the top band with a knife cutting out a center portion to fit around the top part of the case that protrudes in the middle. Low-and-behold, I just jerry rigged a women's Croton Japan quartz watch. It looks great with the black leather band as it compliments the black face. The 20mm band looks natural and even upon closer inspection, it still looks like a stand-alone watch purchased that way.

Now with the main watch. Taking the secondary watch out left a problem with fitting the band where the upper case of the secondary watch was. So I took the Dremal and cut a few millimeters off each end to make it fit the pre-existing peice that fit's around the bottom of the main watch case. My Dremeling skills are great as now you cannot even tell there was a 2nd watch there. It looks natural and I didn't have to buy a second band and got a second watch to boot.

I should have put it all on video and post it here. I'll at least post some pictures of both watches.

Bottom line: If you have small wrists, this style will not fit. If you have medium wrists, this style will fit, but the secondary watch flares out a little. This style watch was definitely made for people with larger wrists, or someone with a good Dremel, sharp knife, an extra watch band, guts and a little imagination.

Mind you, my concerns come from the opposite end of the spectrum. Given my ankle-sized wrists, the OEM bracelet as-supplied probably won't fit me at all. However, I know from past experience that Croton has a generous policy in supplying extra bracelet links, so I ain't really worried on that score. But if your wrist measures 6" to 7" (15.3 to 17.8 Cm), then it might be well to take Mad Cow's advice to heart.

I ordered the watch via an Amazon.com affiliate, TimeZone123. US $89.95 + 7.95 shipping, for an out-the-door price of $97.90. Perhaps not quite a Catch-Of-The-Day level deal, but still not bad for an Auto of this spec.

But wait! I've got an Amazon.com signature VISA*, and I'd been sittin' on $50 worth of Customer Rewards. So my out-of-pocket price was $47.90. WooHOO! Even me Inner Scotsman is happy. Rolling on the floor laughing my a.. off

Sláinte! Cheers!

-Ricky


* It's worth noting that Amazon.com is currently offering a $30 credit for signing up for a new signature VISA account. Not an endorsement, exactly. I'm pretty happy with mine, mind you, but mostly I'm just sayin'... Smile

Addendum: Forgot to mention that a Pepsi version of this model also exists:

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This might well have been my First Choice but, alas, no one seems to have it in stock right now. Frowning

Ricky Lee
"A watch should be worth looking at even when you already know the time" - vintage Omega ad

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OK, so I'll 'fess up. I've got yet another incoming. Crazy! Loco! Image Attachments URL

Ricky Lee 175 May 26, 2012 08:20AM

Re: OK, so I'll 'fess up. I've got yet another incoming. Crazy! Loco!
Oooooh, I like, I like, especially the Pepsi version. Congrats, Ricky. Be sure to post pics when it arrives. That blue is stunning. Clapping!

Magnum 22 May 26, 2012 11:16PM

Ricky, I just WIS Honeymoon your willpower NOT to buy a new watch!Rolling on the floor laughing my a.. off However>>>>
I know you'll enjoy the watch. The blue looks real good. Be sure to shoot some new pix when it arrives and post for all of us to Drooling over!

Thanks for the update!

EdH 19 May 26, 2012 06:49PM

X-mas comes early (and twice) in the house of Ricky Lee Cheers!
Glad you landed your sought-after. Now, you'll never miss a GMT function Smile

Ethan_Mack 16 May 26, 2012 06:00PM

Looks great , Ricky! I also like the ''pepsi'' version!SmileThumbs up! (n/t)

IF 21 May 26, 2012 04:15PM

Apparently everyone likes the Pepsi , since it appears to be universally Sold Out. Frowning (n/t)

Ricky Lee 17 May 26, 2012 04:40PM

Now that is the shade of blue I've been looking for. Not just blue when the light hits it at the right angle. Thumbs up! (n/t)

pumpkin2001 22 May 26, 2012 03:35PM

Not sure what the Pantone Number might be, but the Layman's Term is usually "Royal Blue".
It is mighty striking. WIS Honeymoon

With the exception of my Screaming Orange watches, this hue of blue gets the most comment, I think.

Ricky Lee 16 May 26, 2012 04:11PM

Looks great Ricky. Congrats Clapping! (n/t)

Jan 21 May 26, 2012 11:50AM

Thank you! Bro. Jan. (n/t)

Ricky Lee 16 May 26, 2012 04:03PM

Like Jeremy, I'm not sure I'm wild about the second watch on the same band thing, but like it overall. Thumbs up!
But perhaps I'm just a stick in the mud, and need to expand my horizons. Wink

Scarily, my second thought also echoed Jeremy's "using the quartz movement as a reference for setting the auto movement." Nothing like carrying a reference around with you, though it might drive me nuts when it got off by more than a second or so, causing me to reset my auto multiple times during the day. Crazy! Loco!

But I do like the looks of the main watch, with its straightforward, uncluttered dial and swordhands of an adequate length (I could do without the cyclops, but that is a personal thing).

Enjoy! Cheers!

JFK3531 27 May 26, 2012 11:37AM

Re: Scarily, my second thought also echoed Jeremy's "using the quartz movement as a reference for setting the auto movement." Jpeg Attachments URL
That had already occurred to me as well.

Obviously a case of "Great Minds Think Alike"!
Rolling on the floor laughing my a.. off

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JFK3531
..I'm not sure I'm wild about the second watch on the same band thing.. But perhaps I'm just a stick in the mud, and need to expand my horizons. Wink
No apology necessary.

Again, it's a fairly off-the-wall design feature, and as such is bound not to appeal to everyone.

The important thing to remember is..
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But I do like the looks of the main watch, with its straightforward, uncluttered dial and swordhands of an adequate length..
..it's not an integral and inseparable part of the Overall Design. It's lagniappe, pure and simple. Wink
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..it might drive me nuts when it got off by more than a second or so, causing me to reset my auto multiple times during the day. Crazy! Loco!
Well. I'm used to that from un-synched ana-digis like the Casio Module 2701. To me, it's no more than a minor annoyance.
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JFK3531
..(I could do without the cyclops, but that is a personal thing).
It's funny. There was a time when I also hated a cyclops. And I've done my fair share of cyclopsectomies. Smile

But then a funny thing happened. I got a couple of watches where the cyclops actually worked..

Seiko 8F32

Speidel quartz

..delivering 3X+ magnification vs. the 1.2X of the typical Alpha Sub, and all of a sudden I See The Point.

Hey, my eyes ain't gettin' no better.Laughing
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Enjoy!
Thanks mate! I'm pretty sure I will!

Cheers!
Ricky Lee 21 May 26, 2012 03:41PM

no sir, I don't like it >
I've just never warmed up to the idea of the lil watch under the big watch concept. I think you're just doing it so you can say you're wearing 3 time keepers on 2 wrists. Rolling on the floor laughing my a.. off

greg honeycutt 31 May 26, 2012 11:05AM

Re: I think you're just doing it so you can say you're wearing 3 time keepers on 2 wrists. Rolling on the floor laughing my a.. off Gif Attachments
Ye can Read Me Like A Book. Eek!





Cheers!

Ricky Lee 22 May 26, 2012 02:18PM

Agreement on this assessment... but the main watch is a nice looking one. (n/t)

BobbyMike 20 May 26, 2012 11:43AM

Well, bear in mind one thing...
It's not like this design uses some proprietary integrated bracelet. Far from it! The lugs are utterly conventional, so there's no reason whatsoever that a 'normal' strap or bracelet can't be substituted for the Dual Time Bracelet. Indeed, I reckon that at some point I will see how it works with a NATO. Wink

So looked at that way, there's no Down Side. You're simply getting a second watch for free.
Whistle

Ricky Lee 17 May 26, 2012 03:08PM

Re:You're simply getting a second watch for free...
...which, if you're good with a Dremel, can be turned into a women's watch! Laughing

James T. Kirk© 22 May 26, 2012 04:37PM

Re: ..which, if you're good with a Dremel, can be turned into a women's watch! Laughing
Indisputably. Thumbs up!

Mind you, I reckon the chances of that happening here at Shamrock Hollow are slim to none.
Wink

Ricky Lee 17 May 26, 2012 04:57PM

I actually had the same thought (n/t)

BobbyMike 19 May 26, 2012 03:59PM

"Great Minds Thinking Alike" is simply running amock in this thread! Gif Attachments

Ricky Lee 17 May 26, 2012 04:05PM

+1 Clapping! Thumbs up! (n/t)

James T. Kirk© 15 May 26, 2012 12:11PM

Bright shade of Blue on that one, very nice. Unusual mini-watch as a bonus.Thumbs up! (n/t)

Paul J Costa 20 May 26, 2012 10:52AM

You nailed it with "mini-watch as a bonus"! Thumbs up!
"Bonus" being the Key Word.

I do love the idea. Again, always admired the Breitling. But I admit that, in the end, I may not love the Croton execution. Ergonomics is the main concern. If it doesn't "feel right", I'll ditch it.

But the point is that I have the option to "ditch it", since it's no integral part of the design.

Ricky Lee 18 May 26, 2012 03:56PM

Congrats Ricky! Smile (n/t)

Jimmy50 18 May 26, 2012 10:50AM

Thank you! Bro. Jimmy! (n/t)

Ricky Lee 16 May 26, 2012 03:45PM

Nice score Ricky....that model has intrigued me too.....
But I dont like the attachment on the dual time.....to wonky for me.... Congrats!!

dano0 24 May 26, 2012 10:15AM

Re: But I dont like the attachment on the dual time.....to wonky for me....
What exactly don't you like about it? I am confused

I mean, it's attached with standard springbars, as far as I can tell. Seems pretty straightforward and conventional, to me...

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Congrats!!
Thank you!
Ricky Lee 21 May 26, 2012 10:45AM

I dont know...maybe too out of the box for me. I really dont even like them on the brietlings to be honest...
But, to each his own, right? Congrats on the watch though....does that check off another brand from the list, or did you already have a croton? Methinks you do already own one...

dano0 26 May 26, 2012 12:25PM

Re: But, to each his own, right? Image Attachments URL
Sure!

I realiz

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e full well that this is a fairly outré "complication", and won't tickle the fancy of many. 

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..does that check off another brand from the list, or did you already have a croton? Methinks you do already own one...
You bet I do!

Croton CX2
Click HERE for larger photo or HERE for Watch or Accessory Review

The CX2, courtesy of Bro. MCV.

Also, as mentioned before, the Diver is a "made by Croton" watch...
Ricky Lee 18 May 26, 2012 02:54PM

Congrats Ricky! I did'nt know they used Miyota movements. Good to know.
My 8215 in my 9094 runs well, my only other Invicta a 2300 is now a handwinder since I was careless with the winding rotor. I thought I would polish it and broke it. Doh! Live and learn. BTW you would'nt happen to know where I could get a rotor would you?

Timemiser 19 May 26, 2012 10:08AM

Re: BTW you would'nt happen to know where I could get a rotor would you?
Ahhhh.. no, sorry. Frowning

But with some patience you can likely find a non-running donor movement for peanuts, if not free.
Smile

Ricky Lee 21 May 26, 2012 10:40AM

I'm not so sure about the extra watch on the bracelet, but it looks great otherwise!
Maybe it will appeal to you though? If the quartz turns out to be accurate, you could use that as the time reference against which you set the automatic main movement.

Or, think of it as a way to wear THREE watches to work each day, even though you only have two wrists! Laughing

After Dave M.'s earlier comments on how hard Miyota movements are to work on, I almost avoided getting one altogether. But then it occurred to me that I'd probably just be better off replacing it after 15 or 20 years when it needs service. Having it serviced would cost probably $150 by a watchmaker. I bet a new basic Miyota automatic movement is about $80 or so. Just treat it as a high quality disposable automatic.

Looking at the watch closely, it seems the knurling on the bezel are highly polished, to the point that any sharp edges are completely rounded over. As an extraordinary machinist, you can probably fix this, if you decide it is worth the effort, and if the bezel is solid steel and not "base metal" that is chrome plated. Maybe the damping action of the bezel is loose enough that the low traction won't be a problem though...

I'm sure you'll let us know how it goes. -Jeremy

Smaug 24 May 26, 2012 09:50AM

Re: Or, think of it as a way to wear THREE watches to work each day, even though you only have two wrists! Laughing Gif Attachments URL
Yup. Rolling on the floor laughing my a.. off

Or as a way to give me right wrist a break, yet still wear two watches.
Wink

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I'm not so sure about the extra watch on the bracelet.. Maybe it will appeal to you though?
Oh, it definitely does! Thumbs up!
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Smaug
I bet a new basic Miyota automatic movement is about $80 or so.
Nope. More like US $49.95 from Esslinger. Smile And you can beat their price by a few bucks, if you shop carefully.
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Smaug
Looking at the watch closely, it seems the knurling on the bezel are highly polished, to the point that any sharp edges are completely rounded over... Maybe the damping action of the bezel is loose enough that the low traction won't be a problem though...
If my is any indication, it won't be a problem at all...
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I'm sure you'll let us know how it goes.
I will!

Cheers!
Ricky Lee 24 May 26, 2012 10:33AM

Congrats mate, very colourful. smile Croton is a funny brand for me...

I have owned two in the past, one being a roulette face with LEDs that tracked around it at the push of a button - I bought that for my nephew who is becoming a successful poker player while excelling at university. The other was a chunky funky auto. Both were quite well made, although I find most of the range just too darned 'normal' for my taste...but having said that I really like the Breitling-esque 2nd watch! Enjoy it. Laughing

JY 25 May 26, 2012 08:59AM

Actually, I've just had a quick look at their range and...some cool watches there!
I haven't looked at Croton for ages but I liked what I just saw.

JY 23 May 26, 2012 09:09AM

Re: I haven't looked at Croton for ages but I liked what I just saw. Image Attachments URL
Yeah, Croton designs run the gamut from bog-simple Traditional...


..to waaaaaay Out There:


One thing that remains constant, AFAICS, is solid build quality and excellent fit & finish. Every I've encountered has been top-notch in that regard.

BTW that diver above, the Aquamatic model CA301048SSRD, is apparently the base for my beloved Craftsman Diver...


Cheers!

Ricky Lee 29 May 26, 2012 10:16AM


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