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A very, very special It's a happy day, a new watch arrived!

Ricky Lee
January 22, 2011 10:23AM
Registered: April 2005
Posts: 12,330 (2011-05)

No, not a watch, but a bracelet. And if you think a bracelet unworthy of it's own IHD! post, please read through to the end, and I feel confident you will change your mind. Smile

OK, a little background.

You are all familiar with me latest vintage , I trust. (IHD! post HERE, if ye do need a refresher.) Well, shortly before it was delivered, I'd already scoped out the Will Jean Super Oyster, and announced my intention to acquire one, Some Day.

Shortly after that, y'all chose to honor me as PMWF 2010 WOTY. At that point Bro. Jeremy (aka Smaug) decided that a WOTY Prize was in order, and that a Will Jean Super Oyster was just the ticket. I respectfully declined but, apparently, not forcefully enough. Wink Yes, what should I find in me mailbox yesterday but a brand-spanking new Will Jean Super Oyster. It's a happy day, a new watch arrived


Photo by Ricky Lee

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Photo by Ricky Lee

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WooHOO! WIS Honeymoon That's what I'm talkin' 'bout! Clapping!

Mind you, there were a couple of surprises. Wink Well, one, really - the endlinks. First, they don't accept the Seiko "fat" springbars, which is what I've been using on this watch. But since new "regular" springbars were included, not an issue.

Second, and more seriously, the profile of the endlinks is not what you'd call an optimum match either from the front or the side:


Photo by Ricky Lee
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Now, I expected the latter. That's evident in the photos from the WUS post by Shambles I'd found way back on 19 December:

Photo by Shambles @ WUS

However, that post definitely indicates that a perfect match in planform (front view) is to be expected:

Photo by Shambles @ WUS

From this I conclude that what I've actually got here are endlinks designed for a 6105 case, and that Will Jean offers another SKU that will more closely match a 6309 case. Ironically..


Photo by Ricky Lee
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..despite not being a perfect fit, the endlinks do fit pretty darned good! I am confused IOW a "tight" fit, with no "flopping around" or pivoting about the springbars. Thumbs up!

Hey, easy fix! Just contact Will Jean and get some 6309 endlinks, right? Thing is, I'm not sure I'll even bother. Smile After wearing the bracelet for a bit I find that the slightly "shallow smile" of the 6105 endlinks bothers me not at all. Cool Only caveat is, I worry a wee bit that the single-point-of-contact between endlink and case at the center will cause wear, over time, either to the endlink (or worse! Eek!) the case. So I reckon I will order up some 6309 endlinks simply to allay that fear. But in the meantime I'm gonna wear the heck out of it! Rolling on the floor laughing my a.. off

One big Thumbs up! to Will Jean, in that he don't know how to count. When you order "4 extra links", you get..


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..more like eight. Eek! Heck, that's a whole 'nother bracelet, really, sans one endlink and clasp. Crazy! Loco! I've got enough spare links there to strap this puppy on me ankle, should I choose to. Rolling on the floor laughing my a.. off FWIW the OEM bracelet should fit an 8" wrist, as I added only a single solitary extra link.

The bracelet features a superb fit 'n' finish overall..


Photo by Ricky Lee
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..a perfect match to the watch itself. Both the pushbutton release and the flip-over safety lock operate like a hot knife through buttah. WIS Honeymoon

The clasp is stamped and, while I know some much prefer machined, this one is very, very, very finely executed and, again, superbly finished. 'tis A-OK in my book! Thumbs up! Another plus, for me, is that the bracelet uses screw-pins (vs. split-pins or Eek! pins-n-collars). Better yet, they're "blind" pins, threading into the link itself, which means you only need one screwdriver. Wink Goodly-sized pins, too, and precisely machined & fitting. Thumbs up!

Alright! Let's see some hairy-wrist! Laughing


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Mmmmmmmmmmm. Wears Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr8! WIS Honeymoon

What? More? OK!


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In conclusion, please accept my humble thanks, Bro. Jeremy. Blushing And, indeed, a big Thank you! to all me Brothers who chipped in.

Y'all really shouldn't have.. Frowning I am crying But I'd be lyin' if I didn't admit I'm mighty glad ye did! It's a happy day, a new watch arrived

Rolling on the floor laughing my a.. off

Cheers!

-Ricky

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A very, very special It's a happy day, a new watch arrived! Image Attachments URL

Ricky Lee 234 January 22, 2011 10:23AM

Congrats Mr. WOTY.Thumbs up! And a Clapping! for Jeremy. (n/t)

Mark C. 46 January 23, 2011 12:12AM

Congrats Ricky & WTG Jeremy Clapping!. 6105 endlinks should be 19mm >
& the 6309 22mm. Maybe they're SKX007 endlinks? Smile

Adam in NYC 48 January 22, 2011 02:49PM

Re: Maybe they're SKX007 endlinks? Smile URL
Maybe. I confess it's still something of a mystery to me. Rolling on the floor laughing my ass off

Ricky Lee 48 January 23, 2011 12:10PM

Thumbs Up Congrats Ricky! :) (n/t)

Wen 39 January 22, 2011 12:50PM

Congrats Ricky! A Clapping! for Jeremy and the others! Also...
...those end-links sure are not designed for the 6105 as they have a measly 19mm lug width. I'm with Allen, probably made for the cushion cased 6309-704x. But I've seen more ill-fitting end-links than yours from Rolex or Omega watches from the same era. Smile

Wycombe 63 January 22, 2011 11:20AM

Let's see what we can do about the end link issue. They do not fit as depicted. URL
I thought it was awfully quite from the Ricky Lee front. You've been working on one of your big posts all morning I see!

The first thing I'd like to mention is that I was just the instigator. Several of us who elected you chipped in. Some of them wished to remain anonymous, so I have just kept everyone anonymous to this point. Anyone who chipped in is free to post up!

The second thing is that I'm a little disappointed that the end links don't fit properly. The auction certainly depicted properly fitting end links, and even gave the matter its own bullet point:

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wjean28, ebay seller
2 mm professionally manufactured end links for the 6306 or 6309. (watch bracelet also available with different end links sizes - i.e. 20mm, 19mm 6105, 22mm 6309 or 22mm straight ends (i.e. Seiko Tuna). Matches the curvature of the 6309 cushion case without adjustments.
Based on that and his feedback rating, I bet he will make things right. I didn't leave feedback yet.

The springbars are not the fat Seiko ones, but Mr. Jean says they're upgraded from the original ones and are of high quality and good fit.

I'm hoping for a response to the effect of: "Whoops, we sent the bracelet for the XXXX instead of the 6309" We'll see!

Hang tight Ricky, we'll see what we can do.
Smaug 70 January 22, 2011 10:50AM

William got back to me. He said:
"No problem. Hollow fits better. Send me the address and I will resend."

So it seems you have a choice of well-fitting hollow and gist the occasional pulled hair, or poorly-fitting SELs. What'll it be?

I think we should have him resend, and you can decide when you try the hollow-linked one.

Smaug 60 January 22, 2011 02:27PM

Re: I think we should have him resend, and you can decide when you try the hollow-linked one. Jpeg Attachments URL
Sounds like a plan to me. Thumbs up!

I would like to try whatever he suggests as being the proper fit for my "slim case 6309", and..

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Smaug
"No problem. Hollow fits better. Send me the address and I will resend."

So it seems you have a choice of well-fitting hollow and gist the occasional pulled hair, or poorly-fitting SELs. What'll it be?
.. I certainly ain't a-scared of having a hair or two pulled. Laughing

But.. I confess I'm still a bit confused. Maybe I'm just dense. And I hate to keep referring back to "Shambles" WUS post, but the points I bring away from it are:

* He pictures a slim-cased 6309-729A, functionally identical to mine.

* His endlinks fit perfectly when viewed from the front.

* His endlinks are solid.

What am I missing. Crazy! Loco!

I mean, viewed from another angle...

'net photo

..his endlinks appear to be "cut back" much more deeply than mine, yeah. But they are certainly machined, not stamped! I dunno. I am confused Maybe the deeper undercut is enough for Will Jean to consider them to be "hollow endlinks"?

In any case, the inside curvature of Shambles' endlinks matches the case to a "T", so whatever WJ calls 'em, that's what I need. Rolling on the floor laughing my a.. off

Ricky Lee 51 January 23, 2011 12:06PM

Re: You've been working on one of your big posts all morning I see! URL
Guilty as charged. Wink

I shot the photos yesterday afternoon, and had planned to make the post that same evening. But.. well, let's just say Real Life intervened. Oops! Laughing

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Smaug
The first thing I'd like to mention is that I was just the instigator. Several of us..chipped in.
Right, I caught that.. Blushing
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wjean28, ebay seller
2 mm professionally manufactured end links for the 6306 or 6309. (watch bracelet also available with different end links sizes - i.e. 20mm, 19mm 6105, 22mm 6309 or 22mm straight ends (i.e. Seiko Tuna). Matches the curvature of the 6309 cushion case without adjustments.
Wow.. Readin' that, I'm even more confused. Certainly sounds like y'all ordered the right one. I am confused
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Smaug
The springbars are not the fat Seiko ones, but Mr. Jean says they're upgraded from the original ones and are of high quality and good fit.
Oh, I'm happy as can be with the regular springbars! Thumbs up! They're a "double flange" design vs. the OEM fat Seikos "single shoulder" design, and that means they're a lot easier to remove & replace! Cool They're an Upgrade to OEM in that regard. IMHO.
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Smaug
Hang tight Ricky, we'll see what we can do.
Sounds good mate. I mean, I was gonna contact him meself but, come to think of it, as the Original Customer it does make more sense for you to do so. I'd suggest sending him a link to the PMWF post.. the photos should explain all. Wink

Sorry to be such a bother.. Eek! and thanks again! Blushing
Ricky Lee 62 January 22, 2011 11:14AM

"Matches the curvature of the 6309 cushion case without adjustments."
You have it right there. Yours is the slimmer cased version.

Wycombe 74 January 22, 2011 01:08PM

But.. but.. but.. Jpeg Attachments URL

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Wycombe
You have it right there. Yours is the slimmer cased version.
Mine's exactly the same as the 6309-729A which "Shambles" posted over on WUS! Right?!

Or am I missing something? Oops!

Ricky Lee 60 January 22, 2011 01:35PM

Crash course to the 6309-divers case varieties: >>> Jpeg Attachments
6309-704x is the wider cushion cased version. Also called turtle case. Looks like this:

Photo by Wycombe

6309-729x is the slimmer cased version, the predecessor to the later 7002-divers and many of the modern SKX-models, such as the SKX007 and -009. This is the one you have.

Photo by Wycombe

Hope this helps! Cheers!

Wycombe 90 January 22, 2011 04:13PM

Is that a Seiko Strap?? If so what model??? At 22 it would fit the Tsunami :) (n/t)

jinxed 57 January 22, 2011 04:58PM

Sure is. It's a vintage Seiko GL-831, correct for the cushion cased 6309 divers.
TBH, they may be correct for the slimmer cased ones too, but don't quote me there. They can be a bit hard to come by though, but there are modern flat vent Seiko Z-22's made. But be aware of fakes, so do your homework. I'm very picky when it comes to rubber, it took me years to realise that all rubber straps are not uncomfortable or too stiff/to floppy after some bad experiences in my early WIS life. I was fortunate enough to win this strap in one of Axel's photo contests. Smile

Wycombe 146 January 22, 2011 06:31PM

Excellent!
Yea, I think the Z-22 is what I will end up with. Hopefully I can find a genuine Seiko without too much trouble.

Thanks!

jinxed 50 January 23, 2011 11:07AM

Them Endlinks are for this case Image Attachments
Photo by ARupard

ARupard 54 January 22, 2011 01:43PM

Message sent. Can you post here what the suffix is for your 6309? wjean may want to know. (n/t)

Smaug 69 January 22, 2011 11:01AM

It's a 6309-729A, and the S/N is 510168.
Thank you! mate.

Ricky Lee 53 January 22, 2011 11:17AM

Thumbs up! Congrats Ricky, I believe those endlinks are for the 6309- 7040/49 Cushion Case. (n/t)

ARupard 53 January 22, 2011 10:49AM

Congrats Ricky Thumbs Up (n/t)

Reto 51 January 22, 2011 10:40AM

Well Deserved Ricky....Well Deserved......Clapping! (n/t)

dano0 56 January 22, 2011 10:39AM

Thumbs Up Congrats Ricky! :) (n/t)

Wen 53 January 22, 2011 10:34AM

Congratulations Ricky Clapping! (n/t)

PaulGeo 49 January 22, 2011 10:31AM

Great post Ricky. Wear it in good health.Cheers! (n/t)

gfbiii51 62 January 22, 2011 10:30AM


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New photos of the 6309-729A on Will Jean Super Oyster

Ricky Lee
January 29, 2011 04:12PM
Registered: April 2005
Posts: 12,330 (2011-05)

This is the second bracelet - the first one had improper endlinks and, while it did fit, the result was something less than optimum. Stand-up guy that Will Jean is, he sent an entirely new replacement bracelet, with the proper endlinks.

Here is the result:


Photo by Ricky Lee

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This bracelet is actually designed to fit the later SKX007, and from the side you can see that the endlinks are ever so slightly mis-matched for the slim-case 6309:

Photo by Ricky Lee

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Photo by Ricky Lee

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Close Enough For Rock 'N' Roll, though! Key thing is, the curvature of the endlinks is a perfect match in planform, so from the front it looks A-OK.

One correction, though! Yesterday Bro. Smaug asked if the spare links were compatible between the two bracelets. I answered "You bet. The links and clasp are identical, only the endlinks are different." Well, in fact, that's not true! Oops!

Yes, the links will physically mate up & can be assembled with no problem. But the cushion-case 6309 bracelet tapers to 20mm. The SKX007 bracelet, however..


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..tapers to 18mm! Eek!

I did not notice this last night, in my excitement. But this morning, when I went to add the second spare link, the 20mm link mated to the 18mm links jumped out like a sore thumb. I am crying Drat! I am angry! Back to the drawing board, right? Frowning

Wrong! Laughing I recalled that I had this in The Boneyard...

Photo by Ricky Lee

..a generic Chinese plus-sized (42mm) sub-style case. To my complete and utter amazement, the links from this bracelet worked just fine on the Super Oyster. And I don't mean merely "close enough"! AFAICT the links are absolutely, positively identical down to the molecular level. Crazy! Loco! WooHOO!


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IHD!

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WIS Honeymoon

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So, while it's been something of a Long Strange Trip, from this..

Photo by Ricky Lee

..to this..

Photo by Ricky Lee

..the trip has been fun, and the destination..


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..is most definitely a place I'm happy to be. Laughing

Thanks for your indulgence. Wink

Cheers!

-Ricky


"A man, like a watch, is to be valued for his manner of going." - William Penn

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Ricky Lee 187 January 29, 2011 04:12PM

Good one ! SmileThumbs up! (n/t)

IF 49 January 30, 2011 10:45AM

well bracelet on the Scuba Thumbs up! (n/t)

UVox 34 January 30, 2011 07:59AM

Looking great Ricky, congrats Thumbs Up (n/t)

Reto 35 January 30, 2011 01:13AM

Makes one heavy Seiko Thumbs Up (n/t)

JP 38 January 29, 2011 09:16PM

You got me curious, and I had to go check. Wink URL
The combo is really not all that heavy, at 5.75 ounces (163 grams).

By comparison, I've got a panny homage on solid-link steel that weighs in at 8.82 ounces (250 grams). An easily noticeable difference...

Cheers!

Ricky Lee 49 January 30, 2011 11:13AM

Wow!!! Drooling Drooling Drooling (n/t)

BA1970 33 January 29, 2011 07:25PM

Looks great Ricky Thumbs up!
I've played around with bracelets for the SKX007, and the 6309-7040; and I can attest that it can sometimes take a fair bit of time to get things exactly right.

I think I read somewhere once that at least one Seiko super-oyster bracelet was adapted from a fake Rolex sku.
That is not to say it was of dubious quality, quite the inverse IIRC, as some fakes are actually of a very high quality standard.
But that may have something to do with your replacement link fitting in so well Smile

AndrewP 45 January 29, 2011 07:06PM

Re: ..I read somewhere once that at least one Seiko super-oyster bracelet was adapted from a fake Rolex sku. Jpeg Attachments
I can believe that. Laughing

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AndrewP
But that may have something to do with your replacement link fitting in so well Smile
Yup, I can see that, too.

On a related note, I personally took the fact that the Chinese link fit the Will Jean bracelet so perfectly to be powerful, if circumstantial evidence that he's sourcing his wares from China. Rolling on the floor laughing my a.. off
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AndrewP
That is not to say it was of dubious quality, quite the inverse IIRC, as some fakes are actually of a very high quality standard.
Oh, sure! If the Will Jean bracelets are Chinese-made, that affects my opinion of them not at all. It's high-quality kit Thumbs up!, period, regardless of where it's manufactured!

FWIW, leaving aside the Fake aleart aspect, Chinese-made bracelets frequently are top-notch kit, in my experience. Alpha bracelets, for instance..

Photo by Ricky Lee

..can be the equal of anything the Swiss produce. And given their low price, it's like getting a steep discount on a bracelet, with a free watch thrown in, Rolling on the floor laughing my a.. off
Ricky Lee 50 January 30, 2011 02:48PM

I have no doubt you are correct....
..and when I think back many years ago, a story springs to mind as told to us by a Lecturer.

I'll try and keep it short Smile

He was in Asia helping a friends' business, which was making leather goods under licence from a BIG European luxury goods brand.

The main or key quality control check was the luxury brand's badge-logo, which was sent from head office to Asia, in the exact quantity for a particular production batch (eg 200 units).

Anyways, as thanks for his marketing input, the business owner offered him any choice of product; to which he picked out one of a batch of brief cases just produced. He was promptly told "NO", but was then offered "exactly the same product, just without the (all-important) logo".

Head Office accounted for every one of their logos, you see. Wink

AndrewP 49 January 30, 2011 09:16PM

Nice looking, Ricky.Thumbs up! (n/t)

Mark C. 42 January 29, 2011 06:18PM

Looking good Ricky, thanks for the update!
I bet if you wear it for a while, your favorite Mido will start to feel puny and insignificant by comparison. wink

Smaug 43 January 29, 2011 05:59PM

Re: I bet if you wear it for a while, your favorite Mido will start to feel puny and insignificant.. Wink
Dunno if I'd go that far! Eek! Crazy! Loco!

Laughing

However, I've been wearing alongside the Mido and, I got to say, it does hold it's own. Thumbs up!

Thank again Bro. Jeremy!

Cheers!

Ricky Lee 36 January 29, 2011 10:57PM

Good stuff :) (n/t)

Ed Brandwein 40 January 29, 2011 04:37PM

Looks great! I must give a Clapping! to Smaug and the others who chipped in!
And of course, another one to Will Jean! Clapping!

The fact that the end-links extends from the lugs wouldn't bother me a bit, IMO it can be a bit too much when the end-links are an exact fit and ends exactly where the lugs end.

Now you just need to source the correct dial, hands and insert... WhistleWink No, just kidding, I think that dial looks great in the slim case too! Thumbs up!

Cheers! smile

Wycombe 45 January 29, 2011 04:29PM

+1001! Blushing WOTY will come and go, but this bracelet will last a lifetime. Laughing

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Wycombe
The fact that the end-links extends from the lugs wouldn't bother me a bit..
Same here! For all practical purposes, the fit's perfect. Thumbs up!
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Wycombe
..IMO it can be a bit too much when the end-links are an exact fit and ends exactly where the lugs end.
"It's a feature not a bug!" Laughing
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Wycombe
Now you just need to source the correct dial, hands and insert... WhistleWink
But I like the mod! I am angry!
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Wycombe
No, just kidding, I think that dial looks great in the slim case too! Thumbs up!
{whew} Rolling on the floor laughing my a.. off

I confess that one of the things I like I like best about this mod is that it's not obviously a mod. Smile Any but a Seiko Guru would take it as OEM. Wink
Ricky Lee 56 January 29, 2011 05:39PM

Great looking bracelet with that watch. Thumbs up! (n/t)

gfbiii51 41 January 29, 2011 04:21PM


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