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Watch review Ricoh Nine automatic, model 61355A

Caveman001 
October 08, 2012 06:29PM

Sure ye've seen the Ricoh Watch Co. a few times. An eFlay catch, I bought it on 16 September, and it arrived on 29 September. Not bad considering it came from Hyderabad, India. smiling smiley

I didn't go into a lot of detail in the other posts, and I'll try not to rehash too much here. But I will mention that you can find the seller's (quite decent) photos in the former post, and a fairly comprehensive report on the seller's service in the latter. And, yeah, I'm gonna quote meself again.
Oops! My mistake! Laughing Out Loud!
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Ricoh Watch Co. (is) a brand that I've owned before, liked, and regret parting with. So much so that I put it on me Official WIShlist, albeit near the bottom. So when this clean vintage example appeared at a favorable price I just couldn't resist.

All stainless, screwdown caseback, 37mm w/o crown, all original incl. bracelet, 21-jewel auto billed as "running strong".
But now let's have a photo! winking smiley

Photo by Ricky Lee
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That first Ricoh I owned would have been in 2006, maybe 2007, and though I've searched high an' low I can find no photos. confused smiley Hard as it is for me to accept, I apparently never shot any. Oops! My mistake! It was similar to this one..

Stock photo

..except it had a black dial. And I don't recall it had the bosses or "bumps" on the bezel at 2,4,8 and 10. Other'n that, though, pretty much the same watch. Suffice to say it was a sweet-running li'l guy, and never gave me any trouble. But it was around 35 or 36mm, and there was a time when I felt that was just too small. Crazy! Loco! So when bloke at the flea-market made me a decent offer on it, away she went. I soon missed it, though, and Ricoh has been on me Official WIShlist for at least two years.

As mentioned above..


Photo by Ricky Lee
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..it's all SS, screwdown caseback, non-threaded crown, 37mm X 40mm X 13mm thick, with 18mm lugs. The crystal is a medium-domed acrylic.

OK, another quote. I am blushing

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Cut to the chase, I'm just pleased as punch with it. It runs fine (maybe +2 sec. to Atomic Time over the ~ 6 hours I've been tracking it), and the condition it better than the seller's photos indicated. WIS Honeymoon To the point that you could nearly convince me it's NOS. Still, close inspection tells me the case and bracelet have been polished, and there are some dial and hands flaws evident under the loupe. That's OK, though, 'cause it reassures me that the watch is 100% Original, not refinished.

A word about that bracelet. It is, of course, too short. I'm frowning By a full inch, at least. Oops! My mistake! So I'm wearing it on a black single-run nylon w/ gold buckle. Not sure if that's the way it'll stay, but it is expedient. smoking smiley I'm thinking this one may need leather. We'll see.

Photo by Ricky Lee
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Photo by Ricky Lee
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You'll be seeing the original bracelet here, mostly, but I'll throw in a photo of the current combo at the end. The more I've thought about it, I believe that adapting the signed clasp to an aftermarket SS bracelet is the route I'll take. Oh, and the reason that the clasp closeup looks a bit.. well, different than the other pics is that it was taken with the iPhone where the rest, except the HWS, were taken with my Fuji Camera Co. S700 point-n-shoot. Dunno which is more accurate, but obviously the Apple Computer Co. and the Fuji Camera Co. have different ideas on what the white balance of Natural Sunlight should be. Whistling...

Photo by Ricky Lee
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Photo by Ricky Lee
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I'm still very happy with the overall condition of the watch. I'm convinced that the dial and hands are 100% original and, while the case has obviously been polished, it was done quite sympathetically. The lines of the case are quite crisp, and I do so love WIS Honeymoon the subtle asymmetrical "keystone" shape. It's unlike anything else in my collection and, to me, offers a very pleasing profile. thumbs up

Likewise..


Photo by Ricky Lee
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..the caseback is still relatively crisp, and is quite fetching in person. I've given the watch a thorough cleaning since I shot these photos (I know, it'd have made more sense t'other way 'round I am blushing) and the back is one area that really benefitted by the application of a bit of elbow grease.

One aspect that was a bit of a disappointment..


Photo by Ricky Lee
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..is that the going-rate is nowhere near as accurate as it appeared at first blush. Indeed, I'm seeing more variance in the observed going rate than I expected the absolute value to be. IOW, rather that the +8 sec/day value of my initial estimate, I've seen from +28 sec/day to +55 sec/day. The watch seems to run quite a lot faster when "parked" than when it's on the wrist.

Still, anything less than ±1 min/day is OK for a vintage watch, in my book. I reckon it could use a COA, as the amplitude is not all that it could be, but for now I'm going to enjoy it as is. The movement is quite clean, so that's half the battle IMHO.


Photo by Ricky Lee
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I'm quite interested in the history of Ricoh Watch Co. as it relates to horology. After all, this is a company that, at one point, seemed to have the potential to turn the "Big 3" of Citizen/Seiko/Orient into "The Big 4 Japanese Watch Companies". But, alas, there's not much hard info out there. I'm frowning

It would seem that Ricoh "bought in" to the manufacture of mechanical movements via the acquisition of a company called Takano. They definitely did produce their own mechanical movements in house, but there's also evidence that these were, in some cases at least, not designed in house. There was some collaboration between Timex and Ricoh in the sixties, and some speculate that Ricoh obtained the rights to certain Durowe/INT designs in this deal. (Timex owned Laco/Durowe between 1959 and 1965.) Also, there was a rather more well-documented collaboration between Hamilton and Ricoh (see HERE), though this applied only to Electric movements, and lasted only from 1962-1964.

And, while not many WIS seem to realize it, Ricoh remains a player in the Watch Business to this very day, via the . Not only are Elemex replacement movements readily available (see HERE and HERE), but they also make complete watches:


Stock photo

Click HERE for Official Web Site

These REQ watches are apparently JDM-only, at least officially, but are also apparently very highly regarded in their home market.

Well. That's about a wrap, I reckon..

But wait! Oops! My mistake! I promised ye a photo of the Current Combo, didn't I? I am blushing

OK, here ye go...

Photo by Ricky Lee

Sorry, no hi-res versions. Dad-gummed iPhone focuses a bit fuzzy sometimes angry smiley especially indoors. Oops! My mistake!

Anywho. I got to say, it wears Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr8! Rollin' on the floor laughin' me ass off!

Thank for readin', y'all.

Sláinte! smileys with beer

-Ricky

Ricky Lee McBroom
"A man, like a watch, is to be valued for his manner of going." - William Penn

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Watch review Ricoh Nine automatic, model 61355A Caveman001 111 October 08, 2012 06:29PM
I dig the watch
and will 2nd the iphone camera problems. Rollin' on the floor laughin' me ass off!
greg honeycutt 14 October 08, 2012 07:14PM
Comments, iPhone camera tips
1) The bracelet looks like an almighty hair-puller, so maybe you're not missing out on much with it coming up short? winking smiley

2) The pusher for day reminds me of Orient's design. Did you look at this movement side-by-side with an Orient, perchance?

3) Those springbars on the clasp are quite proud. Have you thought of a solution yet?

4) Overall, a nice-looking watch. Red arrow-tipped seconds hands on mechanical watches are almost always great, IMHO.

5) With regards to the iPhone camera, did you know if you touch the screen before taking a pic, it focuses and sets exposure at that point? If not, give it a try. Also, there's an app available, which costs $1, called Camera+ that is pure gold. It lets us focus on one spot, but take the exposure reading on another spot. It also has some frou-frou stuff. Check it out. It makes the iPhone camera probably 5x more capable.
Smaug 18 October 08, 2012 08:32PM
Re: The bracelet looks like an almighty hair-puller..
You may well have a point there. winking smiley
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The pusher for day reminds me of Orient's design. Did you look at this movement side-by-side with an Orient, perchance?
Not side-by-side, I admit. But the layout is obviously reminiscent of Orient, so I have given it some research, albeit not in-depth research. But..



..it's an entirely different movement, near as I can tell. The balance bridge has a totally different shape, for instance.
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Those springbars on the clasp are quite proud. Have you thought of a solution yet?
Yep! The solution was to remove the bracelet and fit a nylon strap. Rollin' on the floor laughin' me ass off!
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Smaug
..if you touch the screen before taking a pic, it focuses and sets exposure at that point?
Yes, and I did so. Or attempted to, anyway. Part of the problem is that all this tapping and poking is not very ergonomic I'm frowning when you're operating one-handed, going for an photo.
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..there's an app..called Camera+ that is pure gold. ..makes the iPhone camera probably 5x more capable.
Wasn't aware of that. Though, again, if I'm outdoors it seems to do much better. Or, put another way, as long as there's oodles of light available. But perhaps I'll give the app a shot. Thank you!

smileys with beer
Caveman001 17 October 09, 2012 04:51AM
Re: The bracelet looks like an almighty hair-puller..
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..there's an app..called Camera+ that is pure gold. ..makes the iPhone camera probably 5x more capable.
Wasn't aware of that. Though, again, if I'm outdoors it seems to do much better. Or, put another way, as long as there's oodles of light available. But perhaps I'll give the app a shot. Thank you!

smileys with beer
The app is possibly even more useful outdoors. For instance, the other day I was shooting a shot of some trees, in fall foliage, all lined up. If it took the exposure from anywhere but under the tree, in the shade, then the tree and its leaves were underexposed. If I took the exposure reading from the darkest part of the shade, then that was correct, and everything in the sunlight was blown out. But if I moved the exposure "bullseye" to just the right spot, I got a happy medium.

You see, it is an inherent weakness in digital photography, especially JPG files, that they have nowhere NEAR as much dynamic range as film. Many of the mid-tones are lost. So in order not to have overly dark shadows or overlight bright highlights, one has to get the exposure PERFECT. Then, choose the lowest compression of JPG you can find, which will lose as few of the midtones as possible.

Aside from shooting in RAW and saving as uncompressed TIF, this is the good compromise.
Smaug 28 October 09, 2012 07:28PM
Very nIce review. The history bit adds a lotsmoking smiley (n/t) jackrobinson 11 October 08, 2012 11:06PM
Thanks for reviewing this interesting watch - I had never heard of Ricoh watches before! (n/t) JY 14 October 09, 2012 02:58AM

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