RetroChron Seaserpent yet again.
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Ricky Lee |
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May 04, 2012 06:58PM |
How did I know....it would come back to nato....it always comes back to that. (n/t)
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dano0 |
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May 06, 2012 12:58PM |
What can I say?
I do love me a NATO and sure there's no denyin' it.
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Ricky Lee |
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May 07, 2012 09:29AM |
That's a winning combo, Ricky. Is the name of the watch seller >>
>>Uhren schmuck? Perhaps they should have consulted a Yiddish dictionary before choosing that name.
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Dave M |
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May 05, 2012 11:50AM |
Re: Perhaps they should have consulted a Yiddish dictionary before choosing that name.
That is quite a bold statement, as "Schmuck" is such an common German
word, which just means "jewelry"; "Sich schmücken" means "dress oneself
up, clothes + jewelry". "Uhren Schmuck" means just "Watches Jewelry".
There are English words commonly used, which literally translated would
sound very stupid in some European languages and the other way around.
The Dutch and French word for shower, for instance is "douche". Do we
need to know that has a pretty stupid meaning in American English?
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James T. Kirkİ |
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May 05, 2012 12:59PM |
Thanks for the translation from the German! I never said what the word >>
>>meant in Yiddish.
However, the word is used as a pejorative in the USA.
And
guess what? They do not seem to be very responsive to Ricky's request
for more bracelet links. So maybe that meaning (the pejorative one) is
appropriate here.
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Dave M |
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May 05, 2012 09:32PM |
I see what you mean, but don't for forget...
...that many fashion shops in Germany have "Schmuck" in their names and
as soon as they hit the internet, they might think that they will sell
to Germans mainly, it is a > 50 million market! But than they enter
eBay and all of a sudden, it's international and they don't think about
it. Heck, I'd say that 95% of English speaking Germans don't even know
that is a bad Yiddish word! So I understand both sides!
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James T. Kirkİ |
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May 06, 2012 07:04AM |
Re: They do not seem to be very responsive to Ricky's request..So maybe that meaning (the pejorative one) is appropriate here.
As the days go by, I come to feel more and more that you are correct.
I
guess I'm spoiled. Never mind top-tier companies like Citizen and
Seiko, you'd expect it from them. But even such modest players as Alpha,
Croton, and Fossil have gone out of their way to provide me with the extra bracelet links that my unfortunate Ankle-Wristed physique requires.
These Uhren Schmucks? Not so much. They seem convinced that it's my problem, not theirs.
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Ricky Lee |
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May 05, 2012 09:54PM |
Re: Do we need to know that has a pretty stupid meaning in American English?
You make an excellent point, Cap'n.
However, in the opinion of many of the companies themselves, the answer is "Yes! We do need to know!"
Google 'etymological research for brand names' and you might be amazed.
There is an entire branch of specialists who will take your proposed
brand name and research it exhaustively to make sure it doesn't, say,
translate as "dickhead" in Frisian or Udmurt.
I guarantee..
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wikipedia
Product naming faux pas
Many companies have stumbled across the importance of considering language differences in marketing new products.
Mitsubishi Pajero is called Montero in spanish speaking countries because Pajero means wanker.
Reebok named a women’s sneaker Incubus. In medieval folklore, an incubus was a demon who ravished women in their sleep.
The
Honda Fitta was, according to a popular urban legend, renamed Jazz
after discovering that fitta is Norwegian and Swedish slang for the
female genitals.
A drink in Japan called Calpis, when pronounced,
sounds exactly like cow piss. The product is marketed in North America
under the Calpico brand.
Bimbo is a Mexican baking conglomerate;
in English the term describes a woman who is physically attractive but
is perceived to have a low intelligence or poor education.
See HERE for original article.
..some of those companies regret not availing themselves of the services of such a specialist.
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Ricky Lee |
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May 05, 2012 07:12PM |
There are two things: First the shop name, second the product name...
What about the German shops, I explained a post above, what about names
of products, well, let me give you some examples. In Holland we had an
Italian car from FIAT, called the Croma, meaning Chrome/Chromium, but we
had that same name for many years for a very disgusting baking 'butter'
made of the worst pig fat products, you can imagine, not a very
attractive name for a car, in spite of the good style and everything. A
Toyota minivan in Holland had the name "Picnic", my wife (as you know,
an American) thought very lowly about that name! For myself, I refuse to
use "Flickr" as it sounds exactly like the Dutch slang word for 'fag'.
We had the little car Daihatsu "Charade", also such a ridiculous name
and so on and on... I probably think of more crazy examples as soon as I
post this one...
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James T. Kirkİ |
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May 06, 2012 07:16AM |
Once again, you make excellent points...
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James T. Kirkİ
I probably think of more crazy examples as soon as I post this one...
Well, you might recall my all-time favorite example, as we discussed it here just a few month ago...
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Ricky
January 09, 2012 03:44PM
My
favorite story about unfortunate product names concerns an early MP3
player, when the digital music industry was in a nascent state. And this
came from a reliable source (well most folks consider Robert X. Cringely to be reliable ) so I'm pretty sure it's true.
Anyway,
seems a certain Chinese company had a spiffy new player ready to go.
Had the manuals printed up and everything. So they fly a couple of their
big Western distributors over for to have a look see, and arrange a
gala introduction party.
So the pitchman builds up the new gizmo, waxing poetic over all it's features, and the curtain parts as he says " Behold, here it is, the most revolutionary music player ever. . . the Hand Job!"
After a stunned silence, and then much uproarious laughter, they took their hosts aside and told them " Ahhhh.. about this name..."
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Ricky Lee |
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May 06, 2012 07:34AM |
(n/t)
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James T. Kirkİ |
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May 06, 2012 07:43AM |
And sometimes they get it wrong in their own languages...
Ford designed a sporty car and promptly called it "The Probe".
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BobbyMike |
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May 05, 2012 07:48PM |
Re: Ford designed a sporty car and promptly called it "The Probe".
Indeed that's an excellent example.
One can only suppose that the
Marketing Department sought to invoke macho mental images of
"Interstellar Probe" or "Deep Space Probe" or the like. Never realizing
that some folks might get a much different Mental Image.
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Ricky Lee |
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May 05, 2012 09:02PM |
Actually, word around here was that the Probe...
...was meant to be marketed to female buyers. Joke was, why didn't you just call it "pap smear" and get it over with.
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RR218 |
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May 06, 2012 08:18PM |
I'd heard that rumor too, but Ford documents state other wise...
I think it makes the story funnier though
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BobbyMike |
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May 06, 2012 09:01PM |
Update - Got a response from WatchBandGirl...
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Ricky Lee
Most excellent!
I guess I'd have to pick..
..the Black-Orange, also in 22mm.
Thanks so much for your prompt response.
-Ricky
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watchbandgirl
Hi Ricky,
I
am so sorry to hear I pulled and shipped you the wrong band. I will
ship out the 22mm Orange NATO tomorrow along with a return envelope for
the 20mm Orange NATO. Please select another $8.89 NATO at no charge and I
will ship out both NATOS tomorrow.
Thanks for the business Ricky and have a nice weekend!!!
Band Girl
Now that, my friends, is Top-Notch Customer Service!
A big for WatchBandGirl!
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Ricky Lee |
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May 05, 2012 10:03AM |
Indeed, that's how we like it! (n/t)
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James T. Kirkİ |
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May 05, 2012 12:31PM |
Re: Now that, my friends, is Top-Notch Customer Service!
I'll say! Makes me want to order a band from them, just to encourage it.
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DJM |
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May 05, 2012 12:24PM |
Re: I'll say! Makes me want to order a band from them, just to encourage it.
Well, hey, give her a go!
With prices starting at US $6.89 shipped, her straps are mere Pocket Change, really.
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Ricky Lee |
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May 05, 2012 07:46PM |
Looks great on the strap & gotta the...
Pulsar. Hadn't seen that one before. You know Im a Pulsar fan
On the side: I was looking back for the $40 Pulsar Chrono you posted once but couldn't dredge that far down.
All in all a great combo.
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Ethan_Mack |
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May 05, 2012 09:21AM |
Re: I was looking back for the $40 Pulsar Chrono you posted once but couldn't dredge that far down.
I confess that I don't even remember that.
A Pulsar chrono for $40 would most definitely be an indisputable Catch-Of-The-Day, though!
Ahhh... You don't mean the PU2005 Méca-Quartz do you? That one was more like US $90. Still a heck of a deal, considering...
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Ethan_Mack
You know Im a Pulsar fan
I do know! You, sir, have impeccable taste in wristwatches.
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Ethan_Mack
All in all a great combo.
mate, I appreciate the kind words.
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Ricky Lee |
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May 05, 2012 08:04PM |
Looks great! Orange you glad you found a solution? (n/t)
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RR218 |
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May 05, 2012 08:20AM |
That looks great, Ricky. (n/t)
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Mark C. |
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May 05, 2012 07:33AM |
Go for a dive! (n/t)
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wodo |
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May 05, 2012 05:36AM |
Color is great, but she charges $ 38 shipping to Holland!
But for you, that's a great deal indeed!
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James T. Kirkİ |
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May 05, 2012 04:49AM |
That does seem excessive.
That being said, from my limited experience with WatchBandGirl, I think that she ships only
by traceable means. IOW Delivery Confirmation at a minimum. For
domestic US shipments that adds only a very modest surcharge. But adding
tracking to International Shipments is a whole 'nother Kettle O' Fish!
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Ricky Lee |
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May 05, 2012 06:38AM |
Aah, well, there are local stores with Nato's if necessary (n/t)
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James T. Kirkİ |
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May 05, 2012 08:02AM |
I think it looks great! A very good solution! (n/t)
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IF |
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May 05, 2012 02:04AM |
Killer colour combo, love it! Too thin for me, though...
I find these 1mm Nato straps too thin to be comfortable as they cut into
my wrist and/or fail to hold the watch in position well. I recently
ordered a 'super thick 3mm' Nato from a US seller, but to my
disappointment a 1mm thick one turned up (on its way back to the
seller).
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JY |
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May 05, 2012 12:52AM |
Re: I find these 1mm Nato straps too thin to be comfortable as they cut into my wrist..
In the end it's a judgement call, I reckon. However, I find these straps to be very comfortable indeed.
But
it's important to note that not all "1mm thick NATO straps" are created
equal! Again, these are a densely woven "medium-stiff" material, very
similar to the Nylon-6 specified by the MoD for issue straps. The
loose-weave straps you see are much more supple, more prone to "hole
stretch", and..
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JY
..and/or fail to hold the watch in position well.
.. in my experience you do
have to cinch them up a bit tighter than normal to keep the watch from
sliding around. But, for me, the more authentic 1mm material sidesteps
these problems.
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JY
I recently ordered a 'super thick 3mm' Nato from a US seller..
Don't
get me wrong, I like the feel of ultra-thick nylon straps, and the way
they wear. But in the specific case of this watch, I don't believe it
would be possible to fit one to the case, short of resorting to curved springbars. Remember, the last onewas very difficult to fit and it measures "only" 1.88 mm in thickness.
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Ricky Lee |
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May 05, 2012 06:26AM |
Here's hoping those links will turn up, but that's a perfect alternative to the OEM bracelet.
And heck of a price from the seller.
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DJM |
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May 04, 2012 10:27PM |
Re: Thanks mate. Yeah, I can't stress enough..
..that the OEM bracelet on the is excellent kit. If the extra link does show up, I'll have it back on steel in a heartbeat!
Stiil, I do like the orange NATO enough that I'd swap back-n-forth between the two...
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DJM
And heck of a price from the seller.
Yup! That bears repeating too - WatchBandGirl's straps are an excellent value.
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Ricky Lee |
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May 05, 2012 06:00AM |
Just perfect. (n/t)
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Robmks |
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May 04, 2012 09:29PM |
Looks orang-a-rific! (n/t)
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jeremd676 |
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May 04, 2012 08:23PM |