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Posted By: Ricky Lee McBroom
Date: Friday, 16 March 2007, at 11:11 p.m.

Ballad of Forty Dollars
Words and music by Tom T. Hall

Copyright Tom T. Hall, October 1997

The man who preached the funeral
Said it really was a simple way to die ...
He laid down to rest one afternoon
And never opened up his eyes ...
They hired me and Fred and Joe
To dig the grave and carry up some chairs ...
It took us seven hour
And I guess we must have drunk a case of beer. ...

I guess I ought to go and watch them put 'im down
But I don't own a suit
And anyway when they start talkin' about
The fire in Hell, well, I get spooked
So, I'll just sit here in my truck
And act like I don't know 'im when they pass
Anyway, when they're all through
I've got to go to work and mow the grass.

Well, here they come and who's that
Ridin' in that big ol' shiny limousine
Mmh! look at all that chrome, I do believe
That that's the sharpest thing I've seen
That must belong to his great uncle
Someone said he owned a big ol' farm
When they get parked I'll mosey down
and look it over, that won't do no harm.

Well, that must be the widow in the car
And would you take a look at that
That sure is a pretty dress
You know some women do look good in black
Well, he's not even in the ground
And they say that his truck is up for sale
They say she took it pretty hard
But you can't tell too much behind the veil.

Well, listen ain't that pretty
When the bugler plays the Military "TAPS"
I think that when you's in the war
They always hide 'n play a song like that
Well, here I am and there they go
And I guess you'd just call it my bad luck
I hope he rests in peace, the trouble is
The fellow owes me forty bucks.

Here's t' ya ENSIGN!

Fair warnin', I'm nominating you for WOTM next time around... Rolling on the floor laughing my a.. off!



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My Tribute To ENSIGN. Post contains Picture(s) > (views: 152)
Ricky Lee McBroom -- Friday, 16 March 2007, at 11:11 p.m.
A Work of Art - And the very 1st. new Post when I opened the Page Thank you! And a Salute >>> (views: 18)
ENSIGN -- Friday, 16 March 2007, at 11:43 p.m.

is coming to U via mail.
Tom T. Hall has agreed to do it.
The watch leadin' the Pix beats them all.
Maybe not in WIS specs, but not even Lange & Sons
could have built one, fitting better to the start of that "Ballad".

Even Senta, my Black Lady Sheperd, would have sniffed at it
with highest respect. And believe it, or not -
she could - in a kind of combinde connection -
read the clock on the kitchen wall.

Cool! Timing is EVERYTHING in my humble opinion. I've built a career upon it.. (views: 19)
Ricky Lee McBroom -- Saturday, 17 March 2007, at 12:15 a.m.

..in more ways than one. First with my inborn ability as an Efficiency Expert (not bragging, just acknowledging a God-given gift), and also (my own hard-won) ability to "Know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em." Rolling on the floor laughing my a.. off!

} And a Salute is coming to U via mail.

Mail me! recieved!

Sage advice! I'm tempted to break protocol and post it here. May I?


Additional Remark to a Disciple of Ole Gilbreth >>> (views: 15)
ENSIGN -- Saturday, 17 March 2007, at 1:57 a.m.

Given your professional back-ground, there should be no prob for your,
getting them bricks needed "Cheaper by the Dozen".
But how to place them, and more important - where - is another thing.

O.K., some dudes from the east worked as bricklayers too,
but there alsways landscape and underground has to be considered.

That's the kind of yarn, one also can pull out of the Old Timers -
including the fellow with the Rod...
Not pulling your leg - if u want a pond on the ground -
go for it, but won't be nice UNDER the house....

If u ment my laudatio to Annies - we may not forget a third one -
Anni de T., Nurse, as well as Black Cat Anni - 8 out of 10 she followed
my whistle. Sometimes she wanted an extra tune.
If she only looked round the corner, I was the one summonded.
Where is your favorite little ball Anni... Smiley

So pls, feel free to trumpet it out loud -
strong females just deserve it - and a Moblie Home,
from time to time... Wink

Btw -
The last Pic in your "Pictures of an Exhibiton" -
TakesALickin could send it to Julie Spalding -
see last § - and we may add some remarks
concerning "Black Tie" and "Dress Watch".

So much for now

Good call! The story of Frank and Lillian Gilbreth literally changed my life.. Post contains Picture(s) >>> Post contains Link (views: 13)
Ricky Lee McBroom -- Saturday, 17 March 2007, at 1:52 p.m.

..via the movie "Cheaper By The Dozen" (the Clifton Webb/Myrna Loy original, obviously, NOT the execrable remake). The way it went down was like this..

My mother, God rest her soul, was a stern taskmaster. I was given regular chores from an early age, and when the chores were done the results were inspected. If the job was not completed to Mama's satisfaction, I would be forced to start all over again, instead of being cut loose to go off and play.

Not wanting to spend all day at chores, I began, quite on my own, studying ways to cut time (and thus motion) from the tasks, all the while maintaining a standard of quality sufficient to pass Mama's Inspection.

When I saw "Cheaper By The Dozen", and learned that it was possible to make a living this way, I was floored. What really grabbed me by the throat is the scene where Frank/Clifton demonstrates his method of Efficient Bathing. I had done the very same thing a few years ealier, after being chastised by Mama for spending too long at ablutions! That, more than anything else, convinced me that I was on the right track.

In any case, by the time I was in middle school, time and motion study had become a regular part of any task I undertook. By the time I entered the work force it was old hat, and I found that (no surprise) the principles were a perfect match for metalworking and manufacturing. These concepts continue to serve me well today and, not to toot me own horn, I can't count how many times I've gone in and improved processes designed by degree-wielding Industrial Engineers. Book-learnin' can not compare to knowledge learned at your Mama's knee... Smiley

} if u want a pond on the ground -
} go for it, but won't be nice UNDER
} the house....

Rolling on the floor laughing my a.. off!

Indeed, 'twould not. I will pay particular attention to the location of house and pond, never fear.

} ..strong females..

The only kind that's worth one's time!

} ..just deserve it - and a Moblie
} Home, from time to time...

At the very least.

Remember, the mobile home is merely an expedient intermediate step. The end goal is something more akin to this;

from http://images.homeplans.com/plan/www_fcpp_jpg/3232.jpg

With the judicious application of Ole Gilbreth's philosophies, I feel sure that we can accomplish it by the late spring of '09.

Rodger dodger, old codger! Laughing out loud!


Frank Gilbreth

Did love them Movies, but was refering to the Book/s >>> Post contains Link Post contains Picture(s) (views: 12)
ENSIGN -- Saturday, 17 March 2007, at 11:44 p.m.

re the remake - no chance, that I will ever watch it.
The moment, I see Steve Martin on TV, Dinner is done.
Let's put it this way - really not my kind of humor.
Comes the day, and time - dark alley, no witnesses Laughing out loud!
he will learn the differnce between Cyrano de Bergerac's Nose,
and Ensign's old Boots... Wink One must not do everything for money...

I read the book first, and live in the opinion, there was a 2nd Volume too.
Those old B&W movies were just lovely...

I suppose, they most hated teachers are the ones for Mathematics.
And the 2 biggest *ssholes, i ever met were - see above...
But 2 of the best I ever met, also were - see above...
One Prof. at eveneing classes - leaded us on, to build our own axioms,
proof them, and step to the next, and a black haired Lady at xmxmxmxm

It depends on the Teacher, Sargent, Trainer, Grandfather or Mother -
Masters of their Skill & Trade, to teach the right way.
And natural personality is needed for that.
And it depends on the pupil - and his abilities -
to make something out of it.

Books, written by such people, can hold a lot of wisdom.
But again - it depends on the reader, what he can make out of it.

And if one transplantates the printed knowledge
into real life, it will not be possible without -
Back at the Roots we are.... Wink

Was clear as chicken broil Wink
the moment, u are good in your profession -
and I could gain that impression, and not only be feeling -
u must have taken notice of "The Soaped Dozen" Laughing out loud!

That the actually triggered u off, just underlines
that the Gilbreth Inc. - opposite to others -
never forgot about humanity for the working force Smiley

Besides Andreas Kostolany - Money & Stockmarket
and -Name has to be looked up- -Negotiator (got called to Mogadishu)
there is one, u might be interested in -
Peter F. Drucker - Counselor - see Link

Pic of ole Pete

from http://www.leadertoleader.org/images/photos/drucker-small.jpg

Peter F. Drucker

Ah! I have read the books (and they're wonderful!) but.. >>>
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Ricky Lee McBroom -- Sunday, 18 March 2007, at 5:21 p.m.

..that was years later. I'd never have known about them if not for the Webb/Loy movie, so I've got to count the film as my original inspiration.

I'm not much of a Steve Martin fan either. There's only one actor I find more annoying, I think - Tom Cruise.

} ..there was a 2nd Volume too.

Yes, "Belles On Their Toes". Not as powerful as the original, but still very, very good. And there's a third, apparently, "Time Out For Happiness". Never read that one...

} ..it depends on the pupil - and
} his abilities - to make something
} out of it.

Good point. The best teacher in the world can't do much for a lackadaisical student...

} ..Gilbreth Inc. - opposite to others - never
} forgot about humanity for the working force

Just so! Obviously you have dug deep into the subject - many who are aware of the Gilbreth's overall contributions are yet unaware that the welfare of the worker was their prime criteria.

Strange (and sad) that this should be considered a novel point of the Gilbreth Philosophy. It's such a common sense thing - Cowboy Logic, really. "Your horse comes first"...

} ..Peter F. Drucker..

Ah! Yes, I've read quite a lot of Mr. Drucker's writings. A Great Thinker, for sure.

Andreas Kostolany is unknown to me, but the fact that you place him in the company of Gilbreth and Drucker tells me that it is a subject worthy of research.



Peter & Kosto >> (views: 6)
ENSIGN -- Sunday, 18 March 2007, at 9:46 p.m.

Kosto, as his friends called him:
André (Bertholomew) Kostolany (* 9. Feb 1906 Budapest; † 14. Sept 1999 Paris)
Wrote his books (~13) in German, translated to 8 languages.
amazon.com was No Show. Try your Book-Store or eBay.
Beside the fact, that he accumulated knowlede of Two Centuries
concerning the Stock-Market, he made a living out of it,
was a brilliant thinker and had his own opinions on wiz-kids
with degrees... Wink

The Vita of Peter Drucker tells us, he was born in Vienna,
and attended school there.
What rarely is told, that he attended the Akademisches Gymnasium.
To name just one other, who was there - Friedrich Torberg,
the famous writer.
In dark times following, this school was a special target of the NAZIS,
cause it was very popular with bright young jewish minds.

The very first work, Peter Drucker published, was concerning Economics in a Conservative State.
As it looks, either nobody did read it in full, or understand it.
Cause actually it was definitely not a hymn to Hitler's German.
But he got offered a high position in the Ministery of Economics....
That was the reason, he moved to London, and later to the U.S.

With both Gentleman I appriciate the books the wrote -
but what really impresses me, is the practical work,
they did, to earn a living.

Will look for the 3. Volume of "12 Irish Wink", and the mentioned Negotiator.
U will get info, when found. So for the moment I close that part.
Was a really interesting thread.


Certainly - And my Granddad will ROFL! in his Tomb >>> (views: 16)
ENSIGN -- Saturday, 17 March 2007, at 12:37 a.m.

Not only for the song itself, but clearly a Gunner & Bucaneer
is fond of Freedom & Music Wink

And switch-blades made him laugh too -
he preferred his pipe-pliers anyway.
Handsmitten by one of his brothers (Skilled Blacksmith once)
And also found nothing yet, not giving in to that device Wink

Son of a Daughter of a Sailor Smiley

Reply to your Mail me! Post contains Picture(s) >>> (views: 12)
Ricky Lee McBroom -- Saturday, 17 March 2007, at 12:52 p.m.

Got the attachment. Thank you! !

} if there is a local Pub in your new area,
} take the time & dough for some beers,
} and let them old-timers not go dry.
} They might have intersting stories,
} concerning your property.
} And not only for your amusement, and to
} make yourself known as neighbour, very
} often real usefull yarn is told...

The 'Local Pub' never really caught on as an institution in rural Mississippi. Not that many of the ol' boys don't enjoy a nip and a yarn, but more often they're shared out behind the barn, or around the fishin' hole. Still sound advice, mind you!

} a mobile home for sure is more warm and
} cozy than some of my ideas, and "Peace
} in the Valley" is worth "(For) A few
} Dollars more".

Now you're talking. There would surely be no peace around the homestead if I were to enscone the Little Lady in a tent. Nor even in a 'trailer'. No, the minimum required for her "Going Mobile" must earn the title of 'Mobile Home'. The top contender so far is this one;

A 19 x 80, it's the largest single-wide available. Clean, quite well appointed, and of recent (1998) manufacture. Quite a bit more $$ than that Found on the Bay! deal, 'tis true. But not so much when you consider the cost of moving and setup. And not so much dosh that it'd be a problem paying Cash Money. Indeed, 'tis not nearly as expensive as the last new automobile I purchased.

So looked at a certain way, it seems like a Good Deal. And, yes, one of the main parts is that the Little Woman likes it, so it would not be the cause of any Domestic Strife... Laughing out loud!

} Esp. if it can be re-sold for hard
} cash, comes day and time.... Wink

That is a prime concern, too.

Or I may use it as a rental property. Such an abode fetches a minimum of $500 monthly in my area, and sometimes as much as $700. Just a few years of that, and I would have completely recovered my investment. The main danger there being, of course, that it's all too easy to end up with the wrong sort of tenant...

Cavemen-from http://www.space1999.net/%7Ecatacombs/main/images/space/tfc/sptfc063.jpg

Smiley Laughing out loud! Rolling on the floor laughing my a.. off! Laughing out loud! Smiley


KODIAK >> I love those Bears, and the Houses aren't bad either >>> Post contains Link Post contains Picture(s) (views: 25)
ENSIGN -- Sunday, 18 March 2007, at 3:10 a.m.

Had a look at the Mobile Home Market.
Repos, Used, w & w/o acres...
Prices reminded me of Richard the Lionhearted.
A King's Ransom stats looking poor, compared to... Laughing out loud!

Leaned back, lit a Chesterfield, and unleashed the brain.
Played some interesting scnarios, from Mongolian Tent
to Gypsy Wagon, and stopped at old Military Barracks.
With even older wooden Bunk-Barracks inside.
Cheap to obtain, and easy to transport.
Like our remains - your Lady would shred us both to pieces.

But the movie stopped, and the screen got rolled in again.
Then I reminded - the old barracks had been torn down,
and there was some developement going on since Wink
What was it, the Engineer-Troopers were trying to construct ???

So I started a little search,
and at the first corner there he stood at attention.
My favorite Bear, the Kodiak....
And how busy he was, since we met last.

Interesting check-lists got done, nice plans,
and fine products...

The Meadowbrook

3,800 square feet-from http://www.kodiaksteelhomes.com/images/homes/meadowbrook/k3_meadowbrook.jpg

Kodiak Steel Homes

But could a Kodiak whup a Rhino in a Friday Night Fight Post ? Post contains Picture(s) > (views: 2)
Ricky Lee McBroom -- Sunday, 18 March 2007, at 5:49 p.m.

Proving, yet again, that Great Minds Think Alike Smiley , Pam and I have been extensively researching steel-frame homes. Kodiak is by no means alone, there are beaucoup in the biz - Heritage, Phoenix, Tri-steel, and LTH, etc.

But the front-runner for us so far, and by a handy margin, is Rhino, of Denton, Texas.

'tis partly our frugal Scots/Irish natures - you seem to get a LOT more for your drachma with Rhino - but they also seem to be of high quality, eminently customizable, with many options when it comes to the nuts and bolts of actually Gittin R Dun.

This is the front runner so far..


..at least for Pam. Meself, I quite like this one..


Something we'll have to work out, obviously. But most likely we'd go for the former, since 'tis the favorite of She Who Cannot Be Denied. Laughing out loud!

But we agree in principle, at least - that these Rhino homes are worthy of further research and consideration. We may even arrange a tour of their Texas facility, as it'd be a mere weekend bike trip for us (400-odd miles).

} Had a look at the Mobile Home
} Market. Repos, Used, w & w/o
} acres... Prices reminded me of
} Richard the Lionhearted.
} A King's Ransom..

There are some decent deals out there but, yes, it's also quite possible to end up with a Pig In A Poke. All too possible.

} ..Mongolian Tent to Gypsy Wagon..

Nope! Not viable options! Neither is condusive to Domestic Harmony... Rolling on the floor laughing my a.. off!

} ..old Military Barracks..

Hmmm. At least my son would feel right at home when he came to visit. Smiley Laughing out loud! Smiley

} ..Kodiak..Interesting check-lists
} ..nice plans, and fine products...

Kodiak does have a very nice web site! They are either much more upfront about revealing total costs than is Rhino, or they're simply a lot more expensive. I mean, Rhino's prices seem Almost Too Good To Be True compared to Kodiak's. And if it seems too good to be true, it probably is...

We'll check it out very close before we make a decision, rest assured!


The World is a Village, Granny used to say.... Smiley >>> (views: 11)
ENSIGN -- Sunday, 18 March 2007, at 10:36 p.m.

Wore a belt with a Rhino Buckle once.
The pricing of Rhino Stell Houses is really interesting.
It looks to me, that they have developed a more cost-saving
modular system. > To be checked.

Check the Bolting System - Rhino speaks of "Self-drilling" Screws.
Kodiak seems to use pre-drilled connections. > To be checked.

Kodiak/Arkansas als is near to Missouri.
That leads to costs/calculation.

Rhino - a little bit hidden, provides a cost-calculator.
Upon orderering(buying a plan, fitting data for the house will be provided.
I consider this calculator anyway, and add it to a mail.

Can those Companies - esp. Rhino - provide a Contractor,
or would add as such ??

And, how much time would it take?
Can the house be built in due time,
without spending money for a mobile home ??

I do like House No. 1 - So I have to vote for Model PAM here. Thumbs Up for this Watch
Would it be a Watch, I would say -
I like the thicknes - height - 1.st floor.
The Dial - the front view
and the Bezwl - Porch Wink

Could it be possible, that the Barn -
those farmers of old had been no idiots at all,
sits on a fine placing for Castle McBroom ??

And to round it up -
there runs some ancient celtic blood in my veins.
Clearly, this asks for a song.
We all know about McDonald and Connoly,
so I picked a more fresh one.

And I hope, the Lady of the House will enjoy it too.


Rhino vs. Kodiak - Apples and Oranges, in a way.. >>> (views: 15)
Ricky Lee McBroom -- Monday, 19 March 2007, at 6:01 p.m.

} Check the Bolting System - Rhino
} speaks of "Self-drilling" Screws.
} Kodiak seems to use pre-drilled
} connections. > To be checked.

You're warm!

Self-drilling screws vs. pre-drilled for bolts is a side-effect of the key difference between the two. Said key difference being that the Rhino is a light gauge steel stud-truss system, where the Kodiak is a heavy gauge steel I-beam system.

There are pros and cons to each. The Kodiak system allows for a greater free span, and can take greater wind loads (140 MPH!). On the down side, it's a bit more expensive material-wise, and a lot more expensive labor-wise. At least potentially so, as the assembly of the Kodiak frame is far, far beyond the skills of the average DIYer.

The Rhino system still allows quite a respectable free span, and the standard wind-rating of 90 MPH is quite sufficient for my area (it can be upped to a 120 MPH at a modest extra cost). But the Rhino's biggest advantage is that assembly of the frame is well within the range of a moderately handy DIYer.

Put it this way - I'm confident that I could erect the Rhino frame myself, and wouldn't hesitate to tackle it. It could almost be done without a lift. The Kodiak, on the other hand, I would not even attempt. I'm no skilled iron-worker (and have no desire to be!), and that's what the Kodiak requires.

} Can those Companies - esp.
} Rhino - provide a Contractor..

Not per se, but they do both make referrals. The Kodiak I would entrust only to a specialist. The Rhino could be handled by any good general contractor.

} And, how much time would it
} take? Can the house be built
} in due time, without spending
} money for a mobile home ??

We've considered that. The Rhino'd go up a bit quicker, I think, but either could be erected faster than a conventional house. Finishing it out would a wash.

But Job One is to get our DeSoto County house spruced up, on the market, and SOLD! So we're definitely gonna go with the mobile home, as it buys us the time to do that.

Plus, I don't want to rush the house. Better to take it a bit slower, make sure it's done right the first time.

} Could it be possible, that the
} Barn - those farmers of old had
} been no idiots at all, sits on a
} fine placing for Castle McBroom ??

It wouldn't be a bad spot, but Pam's selected a spot maybe 100 yards 'inland' (further away from the road).

We do plan on putting the mobile home in the same exact spot where the old farmhouse stood. Mind you that has more to do with being able to easily tie into the existing utilities than anything else...


Always trust your Cape Wink and take your Time.... (views: 6)
ENSIGN -- Monday, 19 March 2007, at 9:05 p.m.

First things first.
The Time Factor.
The one, who is late, gets punished by History.
One of the most wrong sayings, in my opinion.
Most of the time, u gonna fill your pants,
when things done early - or rushed.
And I don't have to tell u, that building something,
and might it be a bird-cage, will take longer than estimated.
Execptions only proof the rule.
Murphy's Law is stronger than ANY steel or whatever...

Clearly it was not necessary to point out the wind-stability
of KODIAK Houses - A seeing-eye dog would bark it out,
after looking at the site.... Wink

I agree in full with your time-shedule.
And with the steps u have choosen, to achieve your target.

Then there will be time enough, within a nice Mobile-Home,
to calculate/think/decide if RHINO or KODIAK.

That we probably both tend to the stronger constructions of KODIAK
but not to the costs, is quite clear.

I am not really a friedn of self-drilling screws,
and rather prefer pre-drilled holes and strong bolts.
Note, that KODIAK is saying, some drilling and cutting might be needed too.

Look once more to the header of this post, and change CAPE for PRO.
With both - KODIAK and RHINO - for erecting the frames,
I would hire an experienced steel-worker gang. Mohawk Indians ?? Smiley

Now I will polish my magic crystall-ball,
to help u to find an even better Mobile Bargain,
than the last one.
Really exists - Gift from Daughter - She bought it from a travelling Gypsy,
when she was about 9 yrs old.
Bargainde for it, with her pocket-money, to turn the eldest Ferengi pale Laughing out loud!

Re: ..building something..will take longer than estimated.. >>> (views: 5)
Ricky Lee McBroom -- Monday, 19 March 2007, at 10:46 p.m.

No doubt about it.

} Murphy's Law is stronger than
} ANY steel or whatever...

Ayup. Stronger than carbon-fiber reinforced titanium. Steel's not even close. Smiley

} Then there will be time enough,
} within a nice Mobile-Home, to
} calculate/think/decide if RHINO
} or KODIAK.

Just so.

Kodiak (and the I-beam system in general) is by no means out of the running. I will let a RFQ for a team of Mohawk Indians, and much hinges on the dollar amount of said quote. Perhaps I'm over-estimating the $$ there. Perhaps instead of saving money on the framing, I save it on the finishing. My thinking, you see, was that after I framed the Rhino I would contract the bulk of the finishing.

But I am perfectly capable of fine finishing. It's just that, compared to a Pro, I'd be very sloooooow. And my wastage would be significantly higher, I'm sure. But I could do it. If I judge Kodiak to be sufficiently superior, then I hire a Pro to erect the frame, finish it meself, and my total costs are similar in the end. The job is completed a few months later, but ensconed in a comfortable on-site mobile home, that's not a real hardship.

} I am not really a friedn of self-
} drilling screws, and rather prefer
} pre-drilled holes and strong bolts.

It sounds good on paper, but the results may well (in some ways) be superior the other way 'round. In automotive terms, it's the difference between full-length frame rails and unibody construction. And we both know which way that's gone...

} ..With both - KODIAK and RHINO -
} for erecting the frames, I would
} hire an experienced steel-worker
} gang. Mohawk Indians ??

Our only point of contention, then. For Kodiak, the Mohawks are a must. But for the Rhino, it seems overkill to me. The steel stud-truss construction of the Rhino is so far outside the norm for a traditional iron-worker gang that I really think you'd be as well off with a competent general contractor well-versed in conventional matchstick construction.

} ..to help u to find an even
} better Mobile Bargain..

Haven't pulled the trigger yet. Showed pictures of the Front Runner to several co-workers today, and one insists that I should drive 30 miles in the other direction, to the Grenada, MS Mobile Home Superstore, and I will find a better deal. Plan to do so sometime this week. Got nothing to lose, as shipping is the same for the first 100 miles. After that, 'tis $1.60 to $1.80 per mile...

} ..bought it from a travelling Gypsy..

Uh uh. Nope. Plan to do this whole deal with no intercourse with Gypsies OR travelling Tinkers... Laughing out loud!

T'anks for your help, ENSIGN! You've certainly given me a few things to ponder upon...


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