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Avatar Is Happy Day! From out of the blue - a Space-Rated wristwatch I didn't even realize existed. Post contains photos Post contains linked URL
Ricky Lee
April 28, 2009 10:19PM
Registered: April 2005
Posts: 2,470 (2009-04)

Or, a Rollcall Update From Ricky Lee's Home For Wayward Wristwatches. Hey, y'all didn't think I'd let a li'l thing like a busted rib or three keep me from me duty, did ye? Laughing!

This latest member of the family came to me from Georgia, in Bro. Fox's same shipment which brought the D'Orsay 17-jewel. And, sure I knew these existed, but I had no idea they were Space-Rated by NASA! Oops! My goof! I am confused... Thumbs Up!

What is this Space Age Wonder, ye ask? No other than a..


Photo by Ricky Lee

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..Timex Data Link, exact model as yet to be ascertained. Is Happy Day! Thumbs Up!

It's pretty rough - call it TZ 55% - but it fired right up upon installation of a fresh CR2025 cell, and all functions appear to work normally. As you'd expect from a watch bearing the Microsoft logo - hey, it may be a POS, but Chairman Bills Deal With The Devil means it'll function 'til Judgement Day, right? Scary! Laughing!

Can't check all the PDA functions, mind you, 'cause while the 'ware is readily available online, and I do have a machine still running Win98SE, I do not have access to an actual CRT monitor. Since the 'ware won't work on an LCD, I am temporarilly stymied. There is an optional USB-interface module to adapt the 'ware to laptops and other LCD screens. However, findin' one at an acceptable price point (IOW free Laughing!) could be a problem. Heck, I may just go the Brute Force route and pull a CRT monitor out of storage expressly for use with this watch! I am smiling...

But obviously..

Photo by Ricky Lee

..provisions were made to set the time and dates manually, without access to a DataLink Host-equipped PC, so at least I'm left with a fully functional LCD wristwatch. Thumbs Up!

The crystal is acrylic, so when I Get A Round Tuit I'll giver 'er a thorough polishing, and I'm betting that the scratches, bad as they are, will mostly clean up. Not much recourse for the worn-through spots of the case's coating but, heck, it's..


Photo by Ricky Lee

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..perfectly wearable just as it is. Thumbs Up! The scratches and case wabi give it that comfortable "lived in" look! Thumbs Up! Laughing!

Another hearty I'll drink to that. to ye, Bro. Fox! Applause Applause Applause

-Ricky




P.s. - I should also mention that Bro. Fox sent a 3rd watch, a whacking great (45mm x 52mm) Armitron Day-Date faux chrono. Interesting movement (an Akita brand! Totally new to me!) which is, alas, dead as a doornail. So it will reside in Ricky Lee's Wristwatch Salvage Yard, and no further attention will be given to it 'til if and when it offers up some usable parts. I am smiling...

T'anks again Bre'er Fox! Thumbs Up!

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Is Happy Day! From out of the blue - a Space-Rated wristwatch I didn't even realize existed.  Post contains photos Post contains linked URL (Views: 86)
Ricky Lee -- April 28, 2009 10:19PM
Applause! Hey!! Another one fired up!! Hopefully you'll be able to pick and pull off that Armitron one day. (n/t) (Views: 4)
fox -- April 29, 2009 01:15PM
Oh, ye're a right bastard fox, ye are. Infectin' me wi' this, the Swine Flu of WISdom! I am angry! Post contains photos (Views: 5)
Ricky Lee -- April 30, 2009 03:26AM
Today I've identified the Model Number as a 100 (exceedingly rare! SOME! sites don't even mention their existence. I am confused... And lo and behold, micro$soft.com is one of t'few! Scary! )

Anyway, I've DL'd the OEM 'ware, guaranteed to work up to W2K. And a freeware Linux clone, complete w/ GPL Development Kit. Wink, wink ... PLUS about 2 dozen "Wrist Applets". All I lack is an actual CRT monitor. I am confused...

And, God Help Me, ye's got me t'thinkin' "Oh, Ricky, you have a suitable 17" version out in storage. Just got fetch it." Laughing!

Ye're the Tempting Devil! , fox! Scary!



-Ricky

If NASA is keeping time with a watch that has "Micro$oft" printed on it >> (Views: 5)
Chris L -- April 28, 2009 11:09PM
....it's just a miracle how they managed to keep the rest of the shuttle orbiters from catastrophic failure. Scary!

Wink, wink ... Neat watch BTW. I am smiling...

Re: ..it's just a miracle how they managed to keep the rest of the shuttle orbiters from catastrophic failure. Scary! (Views: 9)
Ricky Lee -- April 28, 2009 11:44PM
The Dude abides... you don't know the half of it! I am sad...

Up until the last system-wide refurb, 5 or 6 years ago, NASA was still using 8-1/2" floppy disks and drives on the STS Orbiters! I am confused... Think about that! How many here have even seen an 8-1/2" floppy? Crazy, man! I rest my case! Scary!

You want scarier? The U.S.A. currently is running Guided Missile Cruisers that are dependent, stem to stern, on Window NT. Last I heard they were using v. 3.51 Scary! but, hopefuly, they've upgraded to 4.0 by now. All functions, from climate control to weapons deployment, are totally integrated into a Windoze interface. If that's not a Sign Of The Apocalypse, I'm Leonardo DiCapprio! Scary!

-Ricky

I have . . . I have [arm waving in air and hopping up and down in my seat] >>> (Views: 9)
John Lind -- April 29, 2009 12:51AM
and they're 8 inch floppies, not 8.5 inch (sorry, had to pick a nit on that). Those that have not only seen, but used them fully understand the etymology of their "floppy" appellation. The other sizes are 5.25 inch mini-floppies and 3.5 inch micro-floppies. The original, a read-only model 23FD created by IBM in 1971, used single-sided, single-density disks with a whopping capacity of 80 kb. In about a year, that capacity had slightly more than doubled (175 kb on SSSD disks) and the drives were R/W. -John

Re: ..and they're 8 inch floppies, not 8.5 inch (sorry, had to pick a nit on that). (Views: 9)
Ricky Lee -- April 29, 2009 01:06AM
Doh! Scary!

You're right, of course. Those rose-colored glasses often are not the clearest of lenses, are they? Laughing!

Oddly, though, I remember the follow-on DD disks as 160 kb. Another case of 20/240 hindsight? Wink, wink ...

-Ricky

It's a little fuzzy, but if I I remember you could use a whole punch to clip a notch in the disk, flip over, and use the other side, too! I am confused... (Views: 9)
Nuvolari -- April 29, 2009 01:54AM
...at least that's what I remember from the old Apple II+, upgraded to 64k, baby! c. 1983
Back then we all just assumed a MicroSoft was some sort of pillow.

To date, that is the only computer that never crapped out. Runs like, uh, a swiss watch, actually.
The world gave up using Basic, and ascii, that was the real down fall. Well, that and that funky new unit called the "Mac". Surely just a fad.

I still have the II+ and a bunch of floppies (like Choplifter) up in the attic. I may retro "upgrade" to that from my Acer.

BTW, that watch is cool as hell!

(Apple II+) + STS Orbitors + windows = Asteroids?

Sort of . . . you also had to worry about the index hole near the big center hole >>> (Views: 5)
John Lind -- April 29, 2009 04:10AM
The notch on the edge was the "write protect" notch. Plus . . . didn't work if it was a true SSSD (or later SSDD) disk. The old ones you couldn't do that to . . . they were single sided . . . period (been there . . . mid 1970's to very early 1980's). Wasn't until double-sided drives and disks for them first started showing up in the marketplace that one could get away with that . . . and yes, when that occurred SSSD disks could be converted to DSSD . . . and SSDD could be converted to DSDD using a punch. -John

I used to do that with my Commodore 64 5.25 inch floppies also. (Views: 8)
Chris L -- April 29, 2009 02:08AM
I worked more often than it didn't, since the name brand manufacturers would make the same 2 sided Double Density material and just package it as 1 sided or single density, without certifying for the extra capacity.

If you used some cheap surplus floppies as a broke teenager such as myself might, then there were more failures on the back side.



Avatar Scratchez B gone! aka Is this The Ultimate Geek Watch? Post contains photos Post contains linked URL
Ricky Lee
April 30, 2009 01:02PM
Registered: April 2005
Posts: 2,514 (2009-04)

Poll
Is the Timex Data Link The Ultimate Geek Watch?
3 votes were received.
Yea, verily, it is. No other even comes close! 3
 
100%
Nope! See my reply for one to top it, and let me tell you why. 0
 
0%

As may be inferred from my rant-in-jest to fox yesterday evening, I have (against all odds, considerin' me opinion of Chairman Bill personally and Micro$oft in general Wink, wink ...) become quite intrigued with the Timex Data Link 100. I am confused...

Sure, 'twas the D'Orsay with it's nifty UT29C movement that initially caught my attention. But the more I researched the Data Link, the more interested I became. An official Space-Rated wristwatch with an actual software developer community, and a cross-platform one at that? What an obscure and unusual circumstance! Crazy, man! Unique in all WISdom, as far as I can tell. Scary!

Well, given all that, it seemed a pity that the crystal was scratched so badly. I am sad... But rather than I am crying! in me coffee, I decided to see what I could do about it. I am smiling...

These were very deep scratches (could feel them with a fingernail) so I started with 180 grit sandpaper, one grade coarser than I've ever tried before. It seemed to cut right through the scratches, but left the crystal nearly opaque. Scary! But I moved on to 220, 320, 400, then 600 grades, then gave it a light buffing with Brasso. Here's what peeked out after I rinsed off the polishing sludge;


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I can live with that! Thumbs Up! Laughing!

Well.. actually, I can't. I am smiling... Note how I left some "swirls" near the edges of the crystal? I am sad... But this was definitely a Q & D polish, designed mostly to see if it was even possible to remove the worst of those egregious crystal scratches. Now that I know 'tis, I'll go back with some 600 and 800 grit, followed by another Brasso session. Should be tip-top then! Thumbs Up!

BTW, if you take the POLL!, be ready to justify your position with a write-in candidate. Laughing! Some of the Wrist Applets that have been developed for the Data Link are really quite amazing, even useful. Some are simple things like a li'l routine that will retrieve the current time, subtract the next appointment, and tell you the time remaining. Then there's the one where you input data from a lightmeter, and it calculates the "perfect" camera settings (though in this day and age, how useful is that, really? I am confused...). Even a shooter's ballistic aid, which looks to rival the abilities of the Tactical Sure Shot watch.

And, of course, a plethora of games which, while you'd never mistake them for Xbox or PS3 Laughing! nonetheless should manage to waste your time as well as any other game. Wink, wink ...

So, I dunno. If there's a better watch for the hands-on DIY geek with a strong tech / programming side.. well, I'd like to know about it. I am smiling...

Thanks for readin', y'all!

-Ricky




Messages In This Thread

Scratchez B gone! aka Is this The Ultimate Geek Watch? Post contains photos Post contains linked URL (Views: 81)
Ricky Lee -- April 30, 2009 01:02PM
What you haven't mentioned is the data transfer hardware (Views: 9)
bjohnson -- April 30, 2009 04:21PM
the versions that I had (had a version 1 and then bought a newer model to get more memory) read black & white bar codes flashed on the computer screen by the software!!

The data transfer was one way .. from the computer to the watch, but it was WAY ahead of it's time

Ahhh.. I did, though. Of course you'd have to.. Post contains photos Post contains linked URL (Views: 1)
Ricky Lee -- May 02, 2009 12:35PM
..click through the link to my original post t' find it. Wink, wink ... And even then I didn't explain it fully..
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bjohnson
..read black & white bar codes flashed on the computer screen by the software!!
..though I did mention that this method only worked with CRT monitors. No way no how would it work with a laptop or other LCD screen, unless you sprung for..

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..that li'l gizmo. I am smiling... I love to find one but, alas, they've long since been discontinued, and seem to be exceedingly rare on the used market. I am sad...

Here's the Wikipedia quote: "Notebook adapter - With the advent of portable computers that use active matrix LCD screens which did not refresh like CRT monitors and therefore could not be used for data transfer, in 1997, Timex introduced a notebook adapter that incorporated a red LED and connected with the laptop through the serial port. During download the LED flashed and the flashing programmed the watch much like the horizontal bars of the CRT. In addition systems running on Windows versions other than Windows 95 or Windows 98, such as Windows NT, no longer offered the option of CRT synchronization, making the use of the adapter a requirement even for desktop computers. In addition for systems without a serial port, a USB to serial adapter can be used to connect the Timex adapter to a USB port."
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bjohnson
The data transfer was one way .. from the computer to the watch..
Yup, but still, that's the key advantage the Data Link has over Casio Databanks, IMHO. It means means you can back your stuff up on your PC, so your data won't go "Poof!" when your watch battery dies in Fumbucked Egypt. Laughing!

And, you know, the latest generation of USB Data Links might offer 2-way data transfer? No reason they couldn't, with the USB interface! Anyone know? Ya need t' get yours running, Jose! I am angry!! Laughing!
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bjohnson
..but it was WAY ahead of it's time
Agreed 100%! Thumbs Up!

-Ricky

That's right (Views: 4)
Jose5 -- April 30, 2009 05:49PM
I forgot all about that bar code method. I remember my first Data Link was that way. It was pretty cool. You had to hold it approx 1 inch from the screen, and the watch would read the bar code. I have a newer Ironman Datalink that I've never used. The battery is dead, but I think I'll change the battery, and see if it will work. I've got all the softwware, and it came with a USB cable to link the watch to the computer.

Re: I have a newer Ironman Datalink that I've never used. The battery is dead, but I think I'll change the battery, and see if it will work. I've got all the softwware, and it came with a USB cable to link the watch to the computer. (Views: 1)
Ricky Lee -- May 02, 2009 12:59PM
Well what are ye waitin' fer?! I am confused... Crazy, man! I am angry!! Laughing!

Seriously, do you know if the USB models can do 2-way data transfer? As in from the watch to the PC? Could come in handy!

-Ricky

One of these saved my tail back in the day! (Views: 9)
Barrett L -- April 30, 2009 03:25PM
I wore one of these in high school back before cell phones. I got stranded on a road trip and needed to call my uncle for help and I would have had no idea what his phone number was if it wasn't in my watch! I seem to remember it coming in handy more than a few times.

good times.

Not surprised, as my Casio DataBank has.. (Views: 1)
Ricky Lee -- May 02, 2009 12:07PM
.. saved me bacon several times. Thumbs Up! The ability to produce just the right phone number when you need it can be a lifesaver! Yeah, yeah, I know that's what cell phones are for. But I don't trust the danged things! If nothing else, having the numbers backed up in your watch is could be crucial. I don't know about you, but I'm far, far more likely to lose and/or destroy a cell phone than a wristwatch. Laughing!

-Ricky

The way I used mine. (Views: 9)
Jose5 -- April 30, 2009 03:21PM
There was a time in the past 10 years when I lived in a 1970 Volkswagen camper van, and I traveled up and down the East coast with a van full of Dive gear, camping gear, river rafting gear, Butcher knives, tools to maintain the van, and a lap top. I used the watch to store some phone numbers and addresses from a list that was an internet Volkswagen club that had people that you could call if you were passing thru to have a meal with and share stories, or if you needed a place to park overnight to sleep, or broke down and needed mechanical assistance. That was one of the features you don't find in a lot of digital watches is the ability to store phone numbers and addresses. I was able to download info with the IR sensor without having to plug in a cabIe. I just held the watch up next to the IR sending thingy (forgot what it's called) and the info transfered. I finally lost the watch when I worked on the Pigeon River in Tennesee as a Raft Guide. It was a great watch to have because I didn't have to carry a note pad, and the info I needed was on my wrist. I could pull up info as I drove.

Re: ..I lived in a 1970 Volkswagen camper van, and I traveled up and down the East coast..  (Views: 1)
Ricky Lee -- May 02, 2009 12:00PM
Sounds like fun! Thumbs Up!
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Jose5
That was one of the features you don't find in a lot of digital watches is the ability to store phone numbers and addresses.
The Casio DataBanks are the only other that I'm aware of. As much as I love mine...



..I must admit that the Timex far outstrips it in this department, for the only way to input the data into the Casio is manually, via the pushers. And worse, no way to back the data up I am sad... so that when your battery dies, all your VIP phone numbers go with it. I am crying!

-Ricky

Applause! Rolling on the floor laughing my a$$ off! Another one cleaned up nicely. (n/t) (Views: 5)
fox -- April 30, 2009 02:23PM
'deed it did. And I did retouch it - 'tis even better now! I am smiling... It's almost.. (Views: 1)
Ricky Lee -- May 02, 2009 11:49AM

Photo by Ricky Lee

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..like I know what I'm doin'! Laughing!

-Ricky


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