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Ricky's Quest For A Unitas Pilot or Flieger Watch Part Three - Pulled the trigger on this one! and Post about a watch delivery baby! Post contains Picture(s) >

Posted By: Ricky Lee McBroom
Date: Tuesday, 18 March 2008, at 9:29 p.m.

As regular readers will know, I've been itching for a Unitas -powered flieger ever since the Impromptu Chicagoland Mini WIS Meet. And when I get an itch, I scratch it. Laughing out loud!

After giving it much thought, the prime criteria I selected for my search were;

And, while not essential, I had a (not much) shorter list of "It'd be nice if" features;

Yes, the criteria are ranked in descending order of priority.. Laughing out loud!

I was prepared to be patient (riiiiight Smiley ) and do my research, so my first step was to park my butt in front of the PC for one of many multi-hour 'Research Sessions' (to the joy of me wife, I'm sure Rolling on the floor laughing my a.. off! ).

I also posted a req for help here on the forum. And, and of course, the PMWF related post being the PMWF related post I got some good advice, both on the forum and via Mail me! (an especial t'anks to MCV - I allllmost pulled the trigger on that TZ O&W! Smiley ).

But most suggestions had some serious drawback when judged against my search criteria. No display back on the O&W Oceanmaster which MCV suggested (and which was a steal at $150!), and it's really not a Flieger-themed watch. Or the Precista PRS-20 which RonJr suggested.. not only not Pilot or Flieger Watch -styled, no sub-seconds either. I could go on, but you get the point. That list's quite a tall order!

Eventually, after narrowly missing the Jurgen-Gallai and the Tourby (though perhaps not so narrowly in the case of the Tourby), I was just about resigned to going with a used piece.

Then I found this one;

Seller's photo

Crappy photo notwithstanding, the watch meets all the prime criteria.. and nearly all the secondary! The exceptions being that it does not have a decorated movement..

Seller's photo

..and no bracelet. But hey! For $295 I can live with a plain-Jane Post containing a movement picture and a strap! Wink

Oh, and the dial's not sterile, of course. And there lay the one aspect of this watch that gave me pause - the branding. The globe logo is OK.. kind of like it, even. But 'Time World'? Sounds like a theme park! Smiley

After doing a little homework, though, I decided I could live with the name, too. Best I can ascertain, Time World's a mom 'n' pop watch assembler, rather than a true manufacturer. They're based in Dornach, Switzerland, where commodity parts are thick on the ground, and their output is apparently very low. And, while it wasn't part of the search criteria, I realized that the idea of owning an obscure, little-known brand actually appealed to me. Smiley I mean, I seriously doubt I'll ever run across someone wearing another like it.. even in the company of WIS. Rolling on the floor laughing my a.. off!

Now the long, sloooooow wait for the Post about a watch delivery. Eek! Laughing out loud!

T'anks for lookin'!

-Ricky

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Ricky's Quest For A Unitas Pilot or Flieger Watch Part Three - Pulled the trigger on this one! and Post about a watch delivery baby! Post contains Picture(s) > (views: 344)
Ricky Lee McBroom -- Tuesday, 18 March 2008, at 9:29 p.m.
I thought it looked familiar >>> Post contains Picture(s) (views: 61)
Wen -- Wednesday, 19 March 2008, at 2:40 a.m.

Erken Tosco. Crown is different, but dial/hands seem to be the same. Can't really tell about the case. Smiley

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Whaaa..? An ERKEN Tosco? [Googles madly] Ah. Ah hah! Post contains Picture(s) >>>> Post contains Link (views: 44)
Ricky Lee McBroom -- Wednesday, 19 March 2008, at 9:41 a.m.

Yup, sure 'nough, the dial's are dead ringers! I've never even heard of ERKEN , much less a Tosco..and we've even got an icon! That's crazy! Eek!

That Erken's a stunning watch! Damn. Big Thumbs Up for this Watch . But then I'd have to dig it, right? Smiley Laughing out loud! Rolling on the floor laughing my a.. off! Laughing out loud! Smiley

} Crown is different..

But o' course! I gots an EBERHARD crown on the Time World! Smiley

} ..but dial/hands seem
} to be the same.

Yeah, the way the main chapter indice is graduated to 1/5th seconds, the font of the hour numerators, the double red hash-mark at 12.. I concur, those dial are practically identical.

Hands on all three watches (Time World, Eberhard, and Erken) look the same, to me...

} Can't really tell about
} the case. Smiley

'eres a shot of a white dial version from TZ, you can see the profile of the case better..

'net photo

And from the other side..

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Yep, cases are pretty much identical too, I'd say.

The ERKEN Unitas Post containing a movement picture is undecorated also.. I s'pect mine will look like this..
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I hope! ];-)

T'anks for the info, Wen.. You rock DUDE! ! Thumbs Up for this Watch Applause! Applause!

-Ricky

The TZ article from which I lifted the photos

You are welcome! Smiley Post contains no message text (views: 13)
Wen -- Wednesday, 19 March 2008, at 11:18 a.m.
That crown looks familiar Laughing out loud! Great looking watch and score Thumbs Up for this Watch (views: 35)
ToddH -- Wednesday, 19 March 2008, at 12:16 a.m.
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No foolin'! Bwa haHA! An EBERHARD in disguise! Smiley (views: 29)
Ricky Lee McBroom -- Wednesday, 19 March 2008, at 12:43 a.m.

..yeah, I'm thinkin' I did OK.

Ricky

A Real Nice Watch Thumbs Up for this Watch CONGRATS Smiley Post contains no message text (views: 17)
ENSIGN -- Wednesday, 19 March 2008, at 12:02 a.m.
Very nice! Thumbs Up for this Watch Congrats Ricky! Post contains no message text (views: 15)
Wen -- Tuesday, 18 March 2008, at 11:55 p.m.
Nice score Thumbs Up for this Watch Post contains no message text (views: 14)
mike03 -- Tuesday, 18 March 2008, at 11:54 p.m.
Cool...I dig it. Post some pics and review Ricky. Thumbs Up for this Watch Post contains no message text (views: 15)
greg honeycutt -- Tuesday, 18 March 2008, at 11:10 p.m.
Congrats, Ricky. Good catch, m'man! Smiley Post contains no message text (views: 14)
Jakub Ostrowski -- Tuesday, 18 March 2008, at 11:09 p.m.
VERY COOL! Thumbs Up for this Watch ...... Time World I am confused! ? That's a new one to me Laughing out loud! Post contains no message text (views: 15)
khoward -- Tuesday, 18 March 2008, at 10:42 p.m.
That is a nice and unique watch Ricky. Get's my official Thumbs Up for this Watch Post contains no message text (views: 14)
Chris L -- Tuesday, 18 March 2008, at 10:27 p.m.
Good deal. I like the way the crown was stepped and knurled. What's the height and width? Smiley Post contains no message text (views: 17)
John S. -- Tuesday, 18 March 2008, at 10:16 p.m.
42mm case DIA, 20mm lug W. Unsure of the thickness.. I'll get back wi' ye! Smiley Post contains no message text (views: 18)
Ricky Lee McBroom -- Wednesday, 19 March 2008, at 12:45 a.m.
Interesting, very interesting! Looking forward to your impressions, Ricky! Smiley Post contains no message text (views: 17)
MCV -- Tuesday, 18 March 2008, at 9:42 p.m.
That's a nice Pilot or Flieger Watch, Ricky! Be sure to bring it to the Drinkin' WIS meet! Thumbs Up for this Watch Smiley DUDE! Post contains no message text (views: 19)
Greg H. -- Tuesday, 18 March 2008, at 9:41 p.m.
We have an official name? The Drinkin' WIS Meet? Eek! I was thinkin' "Mid-South WIS Meet" or suchlike. But, hey! >> (views: 22)
Ricky Lee McBroom -- Wednesday, 19 March 2008, at 1:26 a.m.

Your idea's better, though! Thumbs Up for this Watch Laughing out loud!

-Ricky

when and where will this be?..... Smiley Post contains no message text (views: 16)
greg honeycutt -- Tuesday, 18 March 2008, at 10:37 p.m.
Well B30.. ? Smiley Laughing out loud! Rolling on the floor laughing my a.. off! Laughing out loud! Smiley Post contains no message text (views: 14)
Ricky Lee McBroom -- Wednesday, 19 March 2008, at 9:49 a.m.

Not sure yet if this Unitas 6497 is an Is Happy Day! or not.. Post contains Picture(s) >

Posted By: Ricky Lee McBroom <dodge_boyz@yahoo.com>
Date: Saturday, 29 March 2008, at 3:31 p.m.

Picked up the Time World Pilot or Flieger Watch bright and early this morning. Was on my way to work ( I am not happy! for working on Saturday I am not happy! ) so, sorry, no Post contains Picture(s) s yet.

Here is the seller's auction Post contains Picture(s) ...

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There was an instant WTH?! factor upon unpacking the watch, as there are several anomalies. First and most obvious is that my watch has the seconds sub-dial at 9 o'clock. That was expected as the seller contacted me about 24 hours after the auction ended saying that, sorry, the last 6498 model (6-eater) he had on hand had been sold in their retail store by mistake. But would a 6497 model, exactly the same except for the sub-dial location, be acceptable? I hemmed and hawed and was able to finagle free shipping out of him, before I consented. Laughing out loud!

OK, the other differences 'twixt the watch in auction Post contains Picture(s) and the one on me wrist right now; in short, the dial. Several differences here! First, no globe above the Time World brand. It does have the 'Time World' brand, but it's shifted slightly higher. The main chapter indice is graduated in 1 minute intervals, instead of 1/5th minutes, as pictured. Also the font of the hour numerators is different, being a sans serif. And no double red hash-mark at 12. Indeed, all the hour indices are shaped differently (triangular in shape).

The kicker, though, is the "MADE IN ITALY" below the 6. Eek! Italy? This seller listed an address in Dornach, Switzerland! Why is a swiss company selling Italian made watches?! Are you Crazy?!

The back of the watch does indeed look exactly as pictured..

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..with the movement being marked "SWISS" and "SEVENTEEN 17 JEWELS". I don't see any other makers mark, though I haven't had a chance to inspect it with a loupe, as yet. Is it genuine? Y'all tell me! Should there be ETA and/or Unitas branding on the movement itself? It's certainly a nice looking movement. Other nice touches are the strap, which is of high quality, and the seller included a very nice padded leather single-watch carry pouch.

Indeed, the watch is darned impressive overall, with very good fit & finish, and a quality feel. So.. I dunno. The watch does still meet all my prime criteria I was lookin' for. And I love that stepped & knurled EBERHARD -style crown! So why am I on the fence? Well.. obviously for the fact that watch was not exactly as pictured in the auction, 9-eater vs. 6-eater aside.

I dunno, I dunno. Overall I'm quite happy with it. If I were sure about the origin of the movement, IOW that it is indeed Swiss Made Watch , I'd feel a lot better...

-Ricky

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Not sure yet if this Unitas 6497 is an Is Happy Day! or not.. Post contains Picture(s) > (views: 184)
Ricky Lee McBroom -- Saturday, 29 March 2008, at 3:31 p.m.
OK, 'tis an official Is Happy Day! . Thumbs Up for this Watch Just spent 5 minutes peering at the watch under the loupe.. >> (views: 16)
Ricky Lee McBroom -- Saturday, 29 March 2008, at 11:03 p.m.

..and there's no doubt, 'tis a legit Unitas 6497. Underneath the balance wheel it's stamped with the Unitas logo and "6497-1".

So I'm headin' off to shoot some Post contains Picture(s) s. I'll leave you with a BURP! shot I took yesterday. Smiley

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Same Poor Man's Beer, different watch.. Laughing out loud!

This shot is very accurate in depicting the color balance of the Balmer's dial and the strap. See, it ain't THAT URGH! -worthy! Or is it? Oh welL!

I shall return!

-Ricky

Here is a pic of the Asian 6497. This is often used in FAKE! I think I smell a dead rat! Officine Panerai to imitate the movement they use (views: 50)
ToddH -- Saturday, 29 March 2008, at 6:04 p.m.

Fake 6497

Definitely NOT my Post containing a movement picture . [ Whew! Smiley ] The bridges are totally different. Thank you! Post contains no message text (views: 12)
Ricky Lee McBroom -- Saturday, 29 March 2008, at 6:28 p.m.
The pictured movement is a real Unitas 6498 the stamps are legit. Post contains no message text (views: 20)
Stef G -- Saturday, 29 March 2008, at 4:26 p.m.
Thank you! Stef. After scrutinizing several dozens of Post contains Picture(s) s, I'm also 99.8% sure it's a legit Unitas 6497... (views: 28)
Ricky Lee McBroom -- Saturday, 29 March 2008, at 5:13 p.m.

..which IS a relief! Couldn't handle a Watch Made in China FAKE! I think I smell a dead rat! Unitas Post containing a movement picture in me Italian-made watch! Laughing out loud!

-Ricky

You'll have to put up pics of your watch and movement. (views: 15)
ToddH -- Saturday, 29 March 2008, at 5:38 p.m.
The pic from the Seller looks like a Swiss Unitas and not the Asian copy
Will do! After wearin' it for a few hours, I'm really startin' to dig it. Thumbs Up for this Watch Post contains no message text (views: 12)
Ricky Lee McBroom -- Saturday, 29 March 2008, at 5:51 p.m.
Look at this pic. Either your 6497 is a mirror image, or something is wrong I am confused! Post contains no message text Post contains Picture(s) (views: 61)
Jan -- Saturday, 29 March 2008, at 4:07 p.m.
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It is so obvious that I missed it, it is a 6498 I am blushing! Post contains no message text (views: 15)
Jan -- Saturday, 29 March 2008, at 4:12 p.m.
Pic of 6498 Post contains no message text Post contains Picture(s) (views: 51)
Jan -- Saturday, 29 March 2008, at 4:27 p.m.
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I dunno Ricky. I smell a bit o' D@mn Rat B@stards myself. (views: 28)
Chris L -- Saturday, 29 March 2008, at 3:57 p.m.
The movement without a brand stamping is not outside the realm of possibility for being legit, but now it's Italian-made instead of German? It sure is not the same watch that you bought, or really even 75% of the same watch.
Well.. a hamster, anyway. Laughing out loud! Country of origin was not specifically stated.. >> (views: 18)
Ricky Lee McBroom -- Saturday, 29 March 2008, at 5:02 p.m.

However, it was certainly implied! All e-mails from the seller (and we're talking a half-dozen or so, between the 6498-to-6497 swap, and negotiating the free shipping) had his address prominently listed as "Unterer Zielweg 1, Dornach, SO 4143, Switzerland". So I was never expecting German-built.. but I did expect Swiss Made Watch !

Heck, he even lists a phone number, so I maybe I should call and ask him WASSUP! Smiley

} It sure is not the same watch
} that you bought, or really even
} 75% of the same watch.

You think? I'd say it was about 90% the same! I mean, I agreed to the 6497 to 6497 swap beforehand, remember. So the only difference is the dial, really.

-Ricky

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