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Any of y'all ever revel in the POOR aspect of PMWF related post? Post contains Picture(s) >> Post contains Link

Posted By: Ricky Lee McBroom
Date: Sunday, 19 February 2006, at 9:52 p.m.

Seems to me that I'm seeing more and more high-dollar watches here lately. Don't get me wrong, I like lookin' at the pics and readin' about SINNs and OMEGAs and ROLEXs. Every once in a while...

But it really seems to me like the Poor aspect of the PMWF related post is in danger of falling by the wayside. That Watch below $200! watches don't get nearly the respect that they should, considering this forum's stated mission.

Not even from me.. I was doing a little maintenance on the web site today, thinkin' about that, and wearing this Watch-It SLT114 - $6.49 at Wal-Mart! one. I suddenly realized that I hadn't yet taken Post contains Picture(s)s of the very watch I was wearin'! 'twas represented on the web site only by a lame 'Photo coming soon' disclaimer! Could this be because of it's low price? I subconsciously considered it unworthy? Hmmmm. Smiley

Brought to mind parables of throwing rocks in glass houses, beams in your own eye vs. the mote in your neighbors, etc. Rolling on the floor laughing my a.. off!

So I remedied the situation then and there.

-Ricky

Very POOR Man's Watch Extraordinaire!

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 Any of y'all ever revel in the POOR aspect of PMWF related post? Post contains Picture(s) >> Post contains Link (views: 172)
Ricky Lee McBroom -- Sunday, 19 February 2006, at 9:52 p.m.
 You betcha! $15 Laughing out loud! >> Post contains Picture(s) (views: 17)
John N -- Monday, 20 February 2006, at 3:23 a.m.
 IMHO>>> (views: 11)
SJACKAL -- Monday, 20 February 2006, at 2:33 a.m.

I think it is human nature to move up. It is also part of the hobby when one's interest level progresses to more valuable aspects of watches. I am not talking about monetary value although that is also relative. I am referring to things like appreciating better watch movements, collectable editions, etc.

I feel that it doesn't mean that a person will become a watch snob or starts disdaining the humble watches one starts out with though there might be a change of direction in collection. Personally I do not like homage watches as much anymore but I still love my PMWs and in fact still have plans to aqquire more though the plan is currently KIV as I have a grail mission at the moment Laughing out loud!

Thereafter I hope to acqquire the Seiko Samurai, a Hamilton Khaki or Archimede Pilot.
 This watch I'm wearing cost me USD82. Smiley >>> Post contains Picture(s) (views: 33)
Ching -- Monday, 20 February 2006, at 1:14 a.m.

Orient Ana-digi.

Cheers.
-Ching
 I look at it like this (views: 20)
beshannon -- Monday, 20 February 2006, at 1:07 a.m.

I am guilty of contributing evern since I got my Jaeger LeCoultre

Bottom line for me is that this is the best watch forum on the net. Period. Thumbs Up for this Watch

And at my age I figure that I only have so many good earning years left so I want to get the high quality watches now. The PMWF related post watches will always be around and will always be inexpensive.

And I still will be here and at the moment only 1 watch out of 12 is over the limit!
 My most expensive watch cost $249. Post contains no message text (views: 20)
waco kid -- Monday, 20 February 2006, at 12:53 a.m.
 I dream of owning ROLEX OMEGA etc.., but am PM here, having paid $40.00 Cdn for this.... Post contains Picture(s) (views: 36)
Tim -- Monday, 20 February 2006, at 12:50 a.m.

My "new" Helios, WW2 German issued watch. Technically the watch was free, my watchmaker had it in one of his "scrap" boxes, asked me to pay $40.00 to polish crystal and fill lume in the hands.

I can't afford (well, maybe not $$ wise) a watch over $100 or so, wife would kill me! Rolling on the floor laughing my a.. off!

If I had the ok to get into some debt (not always a good thing), I'd charge the credit card for something high end. Best I probably save though. Still dreamin though.

Tim
 I do agree that there has been more discussion and posting of watches over the PM limit, but I don't think there is any> (views: 24)
Mike D -- Monday, 20 February 2006, at 12:38 a.m.

danger of losing the original point of the forum. I know many people who frequent PMWF related post have a negative attitude toward any watches over a certain $ amount, especially ROLEX and sometimes other brands. However, I think the majority of regulars here, myself included, can appreciate all watches, regardless of price. I think what sets this place apart is the fact that we can discuss a $3K watch with the same interest as one that was $75. I have 59 watches and only 3 are at or over the PM limit. Most of the rest are well under $500 each. As Reto says, "If we have the luxury of owning more then one watch, then we belong already to a privileged class on this planet."

I think that since a $5 watch will keep time as good as any other, what we buy is much more than just a timekeeper. Personally, I buy what I like and don't give too much of a rat's A$$ if no one else likes what I buy. I prefer it if people like my watches, but if they don't I am not going to get rid of them.

For instance, I just got a $75 Trias diver that I think is an awesome watch and have posted it many times. I also have a ROLEX Sea-Dweller that my wife gave me as a gift since she saw me for years drooling over them in stores. I like the Sea-Dweller because of it's amazing history as a tested professional dive watch. I'm sure no matter what I say, people will think that I like the Rolex because I want to show off or because I am overcompensating for a small...nevermind. I am not trying to sell anyone else on the Sea-Dweller. I realize that some can't swing that, some can and choose not to and others do. I say more power to you for getting what you like and can afford as long as you're not spending grocery money! When I started visiting here, I had far fewer watches and on average they cost a lot less each. In the past few years, my tastes have changed and I like homages less, because for me they did not stop me from wanting the original. I use my hard earned money to get what appeals to me. I don't play golf or have too many other hobbies that require outflow of cash, so watches it is.

Anyway, sorry for the long rant, but I think everyone here is still into watches of all costs and that is why I love PMWF related post! I don't think that's going away because some are into more expensive watches. So far, I have not noticed any watch snobs here and that's why I like it here. Smiley

 Good post Thumbs Up for this Watch Post contains no message text (views: 6)
Seamus O'Connor -- Monday, 20 February 2006, at 1:53 a.m.
 Thanks Seamus! Smiley Post contains no message text (views: 4)
Mike D -- Monday, 20 February 2006, at 2:31 a.m.
 I think the main problem is that $999 is considered a PMW. (views: 25)
Crue4 -- Monday, 20 February 2006, at 12:26 a.m.
Quite frankly anything over $400 to me is a major purchase.. and hence my $$$ and the PMWF guidelines are simply not in line... A Tridente, Oris, Hammy 7750 chrono are NOT Poor Man's Watches to me (no matter how over priced the Omega's, Rolex, Panny's are) it still doesn't make a $900 watch a poor mans watch...... To me the over $500 watches are realisticly attainable Grail-like watches...
 Yeah, I have to agree with this. $200 is a major expenditure for me requiring multiple months to pay for. Post contains no message text (views: 4)
Chris L -- Monday, 20 February 2006, at 2:12 a.m.
 Gotta draw a line somewhere though, right? Post contains no message text (views: 4)
Seamus O'Connor -- Monday, 20 February 2006, at 2:00 a.m.
 I agree....in fact all of my watches were less than $200. Most less than $70 Post contains no message text (views: 11)
Stef G -- Monday, 20 February 2006, at 12:42 a.m.
 90% of my watches are PM's, most under $300.00. . . (views: 28)
Kelly M. Rayburn -- Monday, 20 February 2006, at 12:21 a.m.

I think if we did a poll, that would probably be true of most of the people who post on the forum. I don't see the problem.
Mostly just 'Stirring The Pot', Kelly. >> (views: 2)
Ricky Lee McBroom -- Monday, 20 February 2006, at 7:37 p.m.

A pastime I know you're familiar with.. Rolling on the floor laughing my a.. off! Rolling on the floor laughing my a.. off!

It does seem to me that I see more posts about Very Rich Mans Watch! than in the past, mind you. But they're easy to skip over, so what the heck. Smiley I'm sure there'll always be a place for the PMW here...

-Ricky

 Kelly, honestly you put straps on your watches that cost more than most of my watches. Post contains no message text (views: 4)
Chris L -- Monday, 20 February 2006, at 2:13 a.m.
 Wink I am blushing! Post contains no message text (views: 3)
Kelly M. Rayburn -- Monday, 20 February 2006, at 2:26 a.m.
 Majority of my collection is under $200, and I WIS Honeymoon! them. Smiley Post contains no message text (views: 16)
Sushirob -- Sunday, 19 February 2006, at 11:53 p.m.
 Re: Majority of my collection is under $200, and I WIS Honeymoon! them. Smiley (views: 23)
Al Gore -- Monday, 20 February 2006, at 12:00 a.m.
I agree. A lot of watches in the $100-$400 catagory have a great deal of panache that some of the more expensive brands do not. I find I wear my Monster,Flightmaster, and Nighthawk many more times than my "dress" Longines. If the Longines wasn't a wedding day gift from my wife 38 odd years ago,it would have been traded in years ago.
Al G.
 Me Too!!! (views: 11)
Texcowboy9 -- Monday, 20 February 2006, at 12:47 a.m.

All of my watches have cost me under $250, I have 32 watches now and 2 on the way. In the past at differant times I had two Rolex Submariners, a TT and an all stainless. I sold the TT because of a divorce and I sold the Stainless because I just got tired of wearing the same watch every day for about 2 years. I had given my other watches to my sons when I got my Rolex. Now I have a variety of good looking and accurate watches (most are more accurate than either of my Rolexs) and I enjoy wearing a watch DeJour.
 C'mon Ricky! I bought two Watch below $200! in the last two weeks... Post contains Picture(s) (views: 50)
Jeff T -- Sunday, 19 February 2006, at 11:32 p.m.

The Zilla and a Samurai!

I still want a Sinn, a Breitling... Sure nice to dream!

 I'm still a PM (views: 24)
Bill J. -- Sunday, 19 February 2006, at 11:19 p.m.
 Lots-o-Buzz on the TRIAS Unitas & 200m, SEIKO 's, POLJOT Strela, ORIENT , ORIENT STAR >>> (views: 51)
Paul December -- Sunday, 19 February 2006, at 11:14 p.m.

You need the High-End as a standard for comparison
 Agreed. You especially need the high-end to judge "homages" Wink Post contains no message text (views: 7)
Seamus O'Connor -- Monday, 20 February 2006, at 1:56 a.m.
 This is an excellent point and post! (views: 34)
Seamus O'Connor -- Sunday, 19 February 2006, at 11:06 p.m.

What attracted me to this forum in the first place was noticing a lot of the watches talked about were brands/makes/models that I already owned like Seikos, Orients, Casios (yes, Casio), Citizens, and even Invictas (yes, Invictas), etc. It does seem that more often than not, posts are regarding Rolexes and especially Omegas. One can easily see the beginnings of a rift when one reads the banter betwixt the "Homages are Great" and "Homages are Fakes" parties. I often find the out-of-hand slighting remarks about Invictas to be out of context at a forum called Poor Man's Watch Forum, since the very mission of Invicta as stated by the Company is to provide a quality time piece at an affordable price. And IMHO, they do that. Do they produce ridiculous "fashion" watches as well? Yes, but so does every company (need I ask to see that leopard Rolex for Exhibit "A"?).

I owned an Omega (Speedie) six years ago. I sold it two years later and bought six (6!) Seikos ($880 worth) with the money ($950 from the sale of the Omega) and still had money left over for a steak dinner for my wife and I ($70). I am oft tempted to buy a Rolex Submariner as an investment. But I say the same thing about a new Corvette every other year or so. I still do not own a Rolex or a Corvette.

But, my watch collection has grown considerably. I have added 19 watches to my collection in the past 20 months. Price spent on all 19 watches: $1600. Could have bought an Omega with that. Should I have? Not for me. Been there, done that. I REALLY enjoy the hunt for the sub-$300 watches. I it more of a hunt, IMO. Comparing bracelets links and crowns and movements and chapter indices, etc. is so much more fun than just socking away $3,000 and then going down and handing it all over for ONE watch. Then I would feel guilty if I did not wear that sucker every day and night because I could have re-powered my boat and put new tire on my wife's car for the money I spent on the watch.

These are just my opinions and ramblings. Watch ownership like every other collecting hobby is very subjective. That is why there are so many brands and each brand has so many models (except Movado, JK Smiley). I am happy for someone when they finally get their Grail watch and post here to "get some love". But I am just as happy and even more intrigued when a new person shows up and says, "Is the Seiko Monster a good first watch for a new WIS?" How about ya'll?

Great thread. Thanks for starting it.

 I don't think a person has to have PM's to have a disdain for most homages, particularly with so many original PM's . . (views: 22)
Kelly M. Rayburn -- Monday, 20 February 2006, at 12:27 a.m.
out there. Not really a have v. have not issue IMO. Every post has been welcome on this forum since I've been posting and there have been discussions about Rolex, Omega, etc. since the beginning right along side discussions about Seiko, Citizen, etc. Not to mention the fact that many forum members have been able to find RM's for well under out PM stated limit of $1000.00. I have several watches that retail for over $1000.00 but I paid much less, and as a result, I pay very little attention to retail prices.
 Good points and all true... (views: 8)
Seamus O'Connor -- Monday, 20 February 2006, at 1:48 a.m.

I did not mean that the "Homages" vs. "Fakes" discussions that take place are indicative of a greater overall movement, just that they do bear a certain witness to a tiny bit of "class" disagreement. Just the other day I posted a response and in it I mentioned, germanely, what automobiles I have. To which a well-meaning fellow WIS replied that PMWF was not so "Poor" anymore. My response was to detail the age of the cars and the fact that I had not purchased them new. Interestingly, those are sort of the same responses you gave here regarding the watches.

Bottom line: I think you are right...and I think I am right Wink ... and I think that this is still a very good forum with a rich diversity of individuals contributing.

Viva la PMWF related post Smiley
 That should be, I don't think a person has to have "RMW's" Post contains no message text (views: 11)
Kelly M. Rayburn -- Monday, 20 February 2006, at 12:28 a.m.
 I do, personally. I seem to be moving away from Swiss Made Watch watches and towards less expensive Watch Made in Japan watches. But not > (views: 52)
Zeb -- Sunday, 19 February 2006, at 10:38 p.m.

so much because they're cheap, but because I find them more exciting and fun. Just my opinion. Smiley I am very conscious of the "Wow" and "Fun" and WIS Honeymoon! factor I get with each watch purchase, and although I like my 2 RMWs, they aren't special enough to me to warrant their relatively huge price.

Because of this feeling, I'm slowy abandoning the Post about GRAIL watch quest, and moving more into brand collection and research. As you may notice, I spend a lot of time bugging people about their Orient watches. With very few results, I may add Laughing out loud! Laughing out loud! Researching the Orient watches, and trying to compile a useful database of watches and movements, is giving me as much or more satisfaction than a new watch, even a Post about GRAIL watch I think. Smiley

I'm actually starting to mentally decide which of my Swiss Made Watch watches will be going to make room and raise funds for more ORIENTs. Laughing out loud!
 Re: I do, personally. (views: 22)
Ricky Lee McBroom -- Sunday, 19 February 2006, at 11:33 p.m.

Great! We've gotta buck this trend. You an' me, Zeb! Smiley

} Not so much because they're cheap, but because I find
} them more exciting and fun. Just my opinion.

Mine too. Being cheap is, in and of itself, no virtue. But when a $50 watch matches the functionality of a $5,000 watch, with 80% of the panache and zero of the "I'm wearin this ROLEX 'cause my dick's short." factor.. well, that's the watch for me. A real PMWF related post watch.

} ..although I like my 2 RMWs.

And those are..? Sorry I can't remember... Smiley

} Because of this feeling, I'm slowy abandoning the quest

Good for you! Use The Force, Luke!

} ..and moving more into brand collection and research

Ah yes. You know, I was mightily impressed with your ORIENT database. I'm almost ashamed to admit it, but there's not a single Orient in me stable. Where do you think I should I start?

} ..giving me as much or more satisfaction
} than a new watch, even a Very Rich Mans Watch! I think.

Understand 100%. I reckon I got, and still derive more satisfaction from my own DIY watch than I would from any Very Rich Mans Watch!..

} I'm actually starting to mentally decide which of my Very Rich Mans Watch!
} watches will be going to make room and raise funds

..I think. See, I have no Very Rich Mans Watch!s, so I can't be 100% sure.. Wink

-Ricky

 I think it's in our nature to aspire to the next level > Post contains Picture(s) (views: 94)
TakesALickin' -- Sunday, 19 February 2006, at 10:05 p.m.

in anything. But you're right. It seems like the pricier watches get the most views and responses here lately. I know I post more about my grails (attained and unattained) than I do about my beaters.

Since you're making the point, I'll make amends here and now too. St. Moritz "Momentum", $70...

Cheers,  Jeff
 Interesting watch. Looks tough. Like the strap a lot too. Post contains no message text (views: 10)
Kelly M. Rayburn -- Monday, 20 February 2006, at 12:31 a.m.
 Re: I think it's in our nature to aspire to the next level. >> (views: 46)
Ricky Lee McBroom -- Sunday, 19 February 2006, at 10:27 p.m.

I'm not so sure. I mean, I think about the modern watches that are on my radar screen, and not a one exceeds Watch below $200!. True, there's a couple of Vintage Watch Post pieces I spend hours and hours tracking on Found on the Bay!, and they're in the $300 to $500 range. But I'm not even that anxious to own them, it's mostly a form of relaxation therapy.

} But you're right.

Of course! I always am! Rolling on the floor laughing my a.. off! Rolling on the floor laughing my a.. off!

} It seems like the pricier watches get the most
} views and responses here lately.

And, I'm sorry, I find that more than a little sad. I mean, if I had any interest in Very Rich Mans Watch!'s, I'd lurk over on TZ or ThePurist.

} I know I post more about my grails (attained and
} unattained) than I do about my beaters.

I've only One True Post about GRAIL watch, and that's a vintage piece, too. Will I ever get off the pot and spring for the $3K required to land a good one? Maybe. Probably. I hope so. But it's not really a priority, and won't be any time soon.

} Since you're making the point, I'll make amends
} here and now too. "Momentum", $70...

Applause! Applause! Applause! Applause! Applause! Applause!

I likes it!

-Ricky

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