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Ricky Lee
February 18, 2009 02:50AM
Registered: April 2005
Posts: 1,776 (2009-02)

Is it a custom? A frankenwatch? A mod? Or just plain ol' Caveman Watchmaking? Wink, wink ... You be the judge...

A little background first. Some of you may recall the Generic Swedish Watch from my guilty pleasures post a couple weeks ago;



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I've worn the watch several times since then and, as much as I enjoyed it, it must be said that the case is quite crudely finished. The back side is particularly rough, even judged against such competition as a sub-$10 Wal-Mart jobbie like this Watch-It. No biggie, mind you. I'm not a snob about such things. But what was a bother is that I got caught in a rain shower last Sunday and, when I got into the house & toweled off I noticed that the watch was fogged up. Scary! And I mean fogged up big-time, one of the worst cases of crystal fog I've ever seen. Not acceptable! I am angry!! Even a Caveman has his standards, and I don't need a watch that's gonna fog up every time I sneeze on it. Crazy, man!

Anywho, I was up early this morning, courtesy of an incontinent Chihuahua who decided he needed to water the daffodils at 03:00. No goin' back to sleep after that, and as I was having my coffee in the Man Cave (where, of course, my Watch Bench is located) my eyes fell on the Generic Swedish Watch (GSW from henceforth). It had been layin' on the bench since Sunday, where I'd tossed it in disgust. I considered what I should do. Can't simply pitch it in the dustbin, 'tis a sin to do that to any watch, even a broken one. Then I thought, a Saturday PMWF Giveaway a la andysm? Guess my IQ + my waist size? (178, if you're interested. I leave it to you to decide if I'm smarter than I look, or simply a lard-ass. Laughing!) Nah. Too much trouble, and who'd want this POS anyway?

Then my eyes fell on the generic Submariner-styled case I got from greg honeycutt. Hmmmmmm. Could it be... Wink, wink ...

Long Story Short / Executive Summary, yeah, it could. I am smiling...



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Now, understand that I'd already struck out with this case once. It's the same one I'd originally planned to transplant the Alpha movement into in the St. Valentine's Day Watch Massacre. I was pretty sure I wouldn't have the same problem here (depth insufficient to accept the movement), but I also expected the diameters wouldn't match up. I had both watches opened up in a flash, produced me calipers and.. to my surprise the dial diameters were the same! 29.5 mm on the nose! Alright, but surely the stems & crowns will be incompatible. But the caliper tells me that, again, the diameters of the stems are both .9 mm. But the pitch must also match, since to make the swap work the Sub-style crown will have to be transplanted onto the stem of the GSW's quartz movement. I did a visual thread-pich count using a 1mm screwdriver and a loupe and, to my astonishment, both stems checked in at 4 threads/mm. This might actually work! I am confused...

I had one last reservation, that being that the stem of the GSW's quartz movement be too short. I could see no way to reliably answer the question without doing an actual mockup, though, so I bit the bullet and got out the tools. Now, I won't pretend that I had all this mapped out beforehand - I was winging it pure and simple! - but here's an after-the-fact 'work order'. Or call it a 'bill' to meself, for these are the actual steps I took;

Note that step 6 came out of nowhere - I was so worried about checking the diameters, the stem depth offset went right over me head. I am confused... Fabricating the required spacer was perhaps the most time consuming step of all. What I did was to take a piece of black cardstock (me wife's scrapbookin' hobby comes in handy once in a while Wink, wink ...), cut it to the proper diameter, carefully smear a bead of contact adhesive around the perimeter, stick it in place, then trim out the excess with ye olde X-acto. Worked a treat!

Step 14 really blindsided me, too. Ironic that I was initially worried that the stem wouldn't be long enough, and I actually ended up having to shorten it. I am smiling... 'twas absolutely necessary, though, as when the crown was screwed down completely, it put the stem into one helluva bind, enough to shift the position of the hands at about 3/4-seated and to stop the movement if seated all the way. Scary! Luckily, this didn't seem to cause any permanent damage.

And I should say a word about steps 17 through 19, I suppose. The case came to me sans bezel insert, you see. 'tis partly conjecture, but it's fairly certain that the bezel is designed to use a conventional insert. I.e. thin stamped aluminum, ~ .25 to .35 in thickness. However, all I had on hand was the one remaining 'King Kong' bezel insert that greg sent along. A quick lashup convinced me that it'd look OK, though, so I broke out the 5-minute epoxy (the Caveman's Friend! Laughing!) and Bob's Your Uncle. This is the only step that leads me to include this in my 'Caveman series', really. Sure, a savvy WIS would definitely pick up the fact that this insert mated to this bezel is an.. ahhh, mod. These side views should be worth 999 words, if not a thousand;



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Otherwise, I reckon you'd be hard-pressed to tell that the watch didn't leave the factory in it's current configuration. OK, OK, maybe the fact that the dial says 'Quartz' and the caseback says 'Automatic' might be a clue... Laughing!


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In any case, I'm pretty darned stoked about the way it turned out. I still love the deep midnight-blue dial, and I think it fits the case style pretty well. The crown mechanism works a treat (after step 14, at least), and while I'm not sure how much faith to put in the 10 ATM rating of the case, I'm also pretty darned sure I will no longer have to worry about crystal fogging. Wink, wink ... Heck, as the day went by, I even started to like the Caveman Bezel insert, since it gives the whole package juuuust enough character not to come off as Yet Another Slavish Submariner Clone. The caseback helps a bit there, too..


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..since it is not the actual Rolex-pattern, like Alpha uses. Perhaps one could think of it more as a Marcello C homage, vs. a Rolex homage? Wink, wink ...

All in all, 'tis indeed a WIS honeymoon Is Happy Day! WIS honeymoon.

I leave you with the requisite Wrist Shot;



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So, custom, frankenwatch, modded Submariner? Or just plain ol' Caveman Watchmaking? I favor a combo of the latter two. I think I'll call it the "Cavemariner", a concatenation of 'Caveman Submariner'. Hey, Cave-* seems hot right now, and since I'm pretty darned sure I won't own an actual Troglodyte in the near future, it seems a good compromise. Wink, wink ...

'anks for lookin', y'all!

-Ricky


P.s. - sorry for the grainy Q&D photos. These were taken under very low-light conditions, by necessity. More & better pics to come, I promise. Wink, wink ...

Messages In This Thread

Is Happy Day! "Say hello to my little friend". I'm not sure what to call this one. Post contains photos Post contains linked URLs (views: 105)
Ricky Lee -- February 18, 2009 02:50AM
The bezel reminds me of a Yachtmaster. So this one must be the Cavemaster. Laughing out loud! (n/t) (views: 4)
Dave Murphy -- five hours ago
Ricky Lee, you're the best! Here's a little treat in appreciation. Take one or take'em all! Post contains photos (views: 13)
JohnnyT -- February 18, 2009 06:38AM
Good work Ricky, don't let the Geico Cave Men get wind of this. (n/t) (views: 5)
Mark C. -- February 18, 2009 03:02AM
No worries, Mark. Them Geico dudes mess wi' me, I'll be on 'em like a Connecticut chimpanzee! Post contains linked URLs (views: 4)
Ricky Lee -- February 18, 2009 03:42AM



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Ricky Lee
February 21, 2009 02:29PM
Registered: April 2005
Posts: 1,849 (2009-02)

Since I was extremely unhappy with the photos in the IHD post I made the other day, I shot some new ones while I had the camera out for the Seiko Is Happy Day! photos. Not exactly Kelly-Rayburn quality catalog shots, but I reckon they're a bit of an improvement...


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I don't know what it is with this one, but I'm just over-the-moon in love with it. WIS honeymoon Modest as its pedigree and credentials are, it strikes a deep chord in me. Partly, I guess, it's that bein' a DIY project makes me feel a bit of pride and responsibility for it. I mean, I can say with some confidence that there's not another watch exactly like it in the whole wide world... Laughing!


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But even discounting the DIY aspect, this watch just flat works for me. I've always been partial to blue dials, and this one has a great midnight-blue hue that, unfortunately, I've been unable to capture thus far. And the more I wear it, the more the style of the indices and hands seem to complement the style of the case. WIS honeymoon


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And I'm lovin' it even more now that I've got it on a proper blue strap! Thumbs Up! This is one of the budget-priced $5 straps from Modena, by the way. Fits the ultra-PMW theme of the watch perfectly, I reckon. Wink, wink ... And I like the semi-sterile nature of the dial. I'd prefer it full-sterile, without the "QUARTZ".. But, hey, the "Use What Ye Got" aspect has me Inner Scotsman dancin' a jig, so it all works out. Laughing!


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I dunno. I know it will seem a cheap quartz POS to the majority of you Wink, wink ..., and a Frankenwatch at that.. But this one is shaping up to be a very special watch indeed, for me personally. Is Happy Day! WIS honeymoon

Thanks for lookin' y'all!

-Ricky


Messages In This Thread

New (and better!) photos of the Cavemaster. Post contains photos Post contains linked URLs (views: 162)
Ricky Lee -- February 21, 2009 01:29PM
Can't blame you for WIS honeymoon! Check's a lot of boxes for me too! Thumbs UP! (n/t) (views: 5)
JohnnyT -- February 21, 2009 05:06PM
Applause! Applause! (n/t) (views: 5)
John N -- February 21, 2009 04:48PM
i totally like the inky dial! (n/t) (views: 5)
anjizkit -- February 21, 2009 04:40PM
Thumbs UP! A caveman is not restrained by conventional wisdom. Or is that WISdom? :) Post contains linked URLs (views: 11)
Chris L -- February 21, 2009 03:15PM
Now I can't shake this image from my childhood for some reason...

Captain Caveman

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No indeed, not a lick o' Conventional WISdom here! Wink, wink ... Rolling on the floor laughing my a$$ off! I think I've found a new mascot! Thumbs UP! I am smiling Laughing out loud! Rolling on the floor laughing my a$$ off! (n/t) (views: 7)
Ricky Lee -- February 21, 2009 03:32PM
Here you go. Potential secondary avatar. Laughing out loud! Post contains photos Post contains linked URLs (views: 21)
Chris L --February 21, 2009 04:02PM

Captain Caveman

Bonus just for you: Cavey and the Murky Mississippi Mystery.
Wink, wink ...

Captain Caveman

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+1 on Captain Caveman, but > (views: 7)
TakesALickin -- February 21, 2009 04:38PM
after just one minute of listening to TeenAngel Cathy, I wanted to wrap my hands around her neck and choke the living s*** out of her. Man, that's annoying! Lauging out loud!

...A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds...
I think she became a Vegas showgirl after the cancellation of that cartoon. Laughing out loud! (n/t) (views: 4)
Chris L -- February 21, 2009 05:30PM
it may come from humble stock, but that's a good looking watch! Thumbs UP! (n/t) (views: 7)
jay_m -- February 21, 2009 01:56PM

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